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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2018 8:28 p.m. PST

"At about 8 a.m. on Monday, reporters called into a press conference with White House officials to discuss the day's main event: a meeting of the National Space Council at noon. The conference was convened to discuss a spate of new proposals by the administration for, among other things, improving management of satellite traffic and cleaning up debris in Earth's orbit. Not exactly thrilling stuff…."
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Armand

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2018 9:28 p.m. PST

That would be a good cover to start.

Dan

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 4:13 a.m. PST

You take the air force's space command/budget away from the air force and it becomes a independent command.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 4:14 a.m. PST

I think it's GREAT! Space Force! Woohoo! You just got to love it!!

KPinder19 Jun 2018 5:15 a.m. PST

First you get Lucasfilm to license their Imperial uniform designs.

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 5:24 a.m. PST
Legion 419 Jun 2018 6:02 a.m. PST

The USAF has the responsibility for "outer" space, etc. And the other branches get involved as at times as needed. E.g. NORAD/Cheyenne Mountain, etc.

NO the US Military Does Not need a US Space Force. As many in the Pentagon have already said.

jefritrout Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 6:21 a.m. PST

I'm waiting for GW to sue the US government in order to protect their Space Marines copyright.

Legion 419 Jun 2018 6:38 a.m. PST

Their lawyers are probably working on it ! evil grin

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 7:20 a.m. PST

Legion 4, your words sound strangle like the US Army before the Key west accords forming the Air force.

Parzival19 Jun 2018 8:46 a.m. PST

Actually, it makes sense. If a "Space Force" is indeed a military necessity (we'll set that aside), having it as a separate entity ensures that its needs and structure will be treated as a priority of those in charge of it.
While remaining under the Air Force, the Space Force is subject to the concerns of commanders who also oversee atmospheric air operations, and who might prioritize the latter at the expense of space efforts. No different than placing the Army over the Navy…Naval concerns would invariably come in second place. As a distinct service, the Space Force would at least be on a nominally equal footing with other branches, and would certainly have its budget focused on its specific missions and goals, and not those of only tangentially related operations.

As for the rest, is it needed? Well, suborbital flight operations would certainly be the fastest way to convey rapid response teams to global hotspots (though only in strictly limited numbers at our current tech), and a dedicated force for dealing with satellites, ICBMs, and other hostile orbital and suborbital efforts by potential enemies is certainly a viable argument to consider. Always claim the high ground-- and space is the highest ground.

surdu2005 Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 9:37 a.m. PST

I suspect to begin with that it will be composed of the space forces that already exist in the other Services. This will take several years to reach initial operating capability and will require a lot of discussions and negotiation with Congress.

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 9:46 a.m. PST

My standard questions always apply.
How much will this cost taxpayers?
How desperately does it need to be a separate entity?
Who gets paid?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 10:37 a.m. PST

How much time for Space Marines?…. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Ghostrunner19 Jun 2018 12:29 p.m. PST

I suspect to begin with that it will be composed of the space forces that already exist in the other Services. This will take several years to reach initial operating capability and will require a lot of discussions and negotiation with Congress.

This.

Carve chunks out of the USAF, DARPA, NRO/NSA, and USN. Then attempt to integrate them into a single command structure.

It will not be a smooth process.

I do have a sincere question if this will leave the Air Force enough work to do as an independent service.

KPinder19 Jun 2018 2:08 p.m. PST

Make sure that all the Space Force members are enlisted personnel except for its' CO. There would be no need for any except the lowest officer grade.

Wait for it.

The Commander of the Space Force would be a Space Cadet.

peterx Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 2:52 p.m. PST

First, hire some Stormtroopers, then a commander like Darth Vader. Build a bunch of giant star destroyers and tie fighters. Blam! You have a Space Force. After that build a huge man made moon that can destroy planets. Then fly around in space and blow up planets.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 6:03 p.m. PST

Why did we need a separate Air Force? The Army, Marines, Navy and Coast Guard operated aircraft just fine. But a separate Air Force insured the needs of air superiority and strategic bombing were met.

Just as happened with the Air Force the existing bureaucracy will complain they don't want it and don't need it. They just don't want to give up control and money of space resources.

I think this is long over due and we should have done it in 1960. It's shameful we have not been back to the Moon, nor gone on to Mars; and it's worse that we stopped manned space flight by US government astronauts.

First, take over existing programs and then begin new ones to insure American superiority in space.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2018 9:30 p.m. PST

+2 Bunkermeister!!

Totenkopf20 Jun 2018 4:53 a.m. PST

First, Bring Duck Dodgers back out of Warner Brothers retirement. Then, as others have said nifty uniforms are a must. Then we annex the moon (Sudetenland), then our space armada designed to look like space bound U-boats will exert our authority all over the globe thus bringing the 4th Reich to one and all. Just think of the money making opportunities. After we gold plate the moon, after all it will become one of His properties, we can charge folks for protection from outer space. Hal are you there Hal?

Landorl20 Jun 2018 6:12 a.m. PST

The US Air Force became separate in 1947, however it took a few years to complete the transfer.

My father went into the army in 1949, and the unit he was with was transferred to the Air Force in 1950 at March Air Force base in California. If I remember right, I saw somewhere that the last units transferred into the Air Force was sometime in early 1951.

I would imagine the process would be similar for Space Force.

Legion 420 Jun 2018 6:20 a.m. PST

Legion 4, your words sound strangle like the US Army before the Key west accords forming the Air force.
I'm old school ! evil grin But I think the US ARMY and USAF becoming two separate branches was a good idea.

But it seems to me the USAF does all the things a USSF would. And if Grunts are needs … the US ARMY and USMC can provide those. But at this point those being needed are far, far off and highly unlikely, AFAIK/IMO.

The USSF would and now the USAF does have the mission of satellite warfare, etc. AFAIK that is the only thing a USSF would do ?

Until we need/get Space Fighters, Space Grunts, etc., but again IMO that is very, very far off … But I could be wrong … ?


BUT if they do get a USSF … Check Out ST MACOs ! evil grin link


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Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2018 12:24 p.m. PST

The USSF would and now the USAF does have the mission of satellite warfare, etc. AFAIK that is the only thing a USSF would do ?

Maybe they'd manage a unified satellite resources portfolio -- right now multiple services and agencies manage overlapping satellite systems -- US Navy sats,USAF sats, NRO sats, etc. And what about launch vehicle management?

Legion 420 Jun 2018 1:30 p.m. PST

Yes, I'd think that would be one of the USSF's missions as well. Managing US satellites and launch vehicles … along with satellite warfare, etc., as I said.

But I'd think the join US/Canadian militaries at NORAD do that or something like that now ? But I'm pretty sure it does not come into NORAD's purview until it's in orbit ?

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