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USAFpilot14 Jun 2018 11:33 a.m. PST

Inspired by the Richard H. Berg best game poll, the similarly named Richard Borg best game poll. Which of his Commands & Colors style games is best?

1) Ancients
2) Napoleonics
3) Memoir ‘44
4) Battle Cry
5) Battle Lore
6) Tricorne
7) not a fan/ never played any/ no opinion/ Richard who?

Old Contemptibles14 Jun 2018 11:36 a.m. PST


Tommy2014 Jun 2018 11:48 a.m. PST


Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 11:56 a.m. PST


Hamilton14 Jun 2018 12:15 p.m. PST

7 – I have not played any yet, but I am backing the Red Alert kickstarter space combat version.


joeltks14 Jun 2018 12:35 p.m. PST


paul liddle14 Jun 2018 12:53 p.m. PST

1 or 2 depending on my interest at the time. I just started painting 1/72 Napoleonics to play the game on a board with 90mm hexes. I love the game system.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 12:55 p.m. PST


Personal logo Dentatus Sponsoring Member of TMP Fezian14 Jun 2018 1:10 p.m. PST


USAFpilot14 Jun 2018 1:11 p.m. PST

I left a few off the list by mistake, so I will add them now.
8) The Great War
9) Samurai Battles
10) Medieval

I have only played Ancients, Napoleonics, and Memoir ‘44. My favorite is Napoleonics. Of the three it is the most involved. Memoir ‘44 is the simplest.

Dynaman878914 Jun 2018 1:12 p.m. PST

I've played 1,2, and 3 and they are so similar as to be practically the same game. I think it works for 1 and 2 (more or less) but falls flat on 3

BW195914 Jun 2018 1:18 p.m. PST

I've played 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, & 8

Enjoyed all of them. Ancients is
my favorite then the AWI one.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 1:19 p.m. PST


Outlaw Tor14 Jun 2018 1:21 p.m. PST

In order, 2, 1 and hopefully 10 when it gets here.

goragrad14 Jun 2018 1:32 p.m. PST


Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 1:52 p.m. PST

All of the above and I pity all who have not tried at least one of his games.

Aethelflaeda was framed14 Jun 2018 2:21 p.m. PST

Aren't they all the same game? The pieces might differ but they all basically play identically.

Calico Bill14 Jun 2018 2:41 p.m. PST

7. None. Dislike the system, but have played many once.

Hobhood414 Jun 2018 3:23 p.m. PST

1, 4 and 3 for me in that order. Most game 'fun' ever from these. Didn't like 2. Never played the others. Not worth replicating with figures though as I don't think it adds much to the gaming experience.

JimSelzer14 Jun 2018 3:30 p.m. PST

the one where they tore Starfleet a new one

mad monkey 114 Jun 2018 3:47 p.m. PST


Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 3:47 p.m. PST


McWong7314 Jun 2018 4:16 p.m. PST

4, best gateway game imho

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 5:22 p.m. PST

4. Battle Cry (The original of the C&C games.) I've only played two of the other variants, and while I do like Memoir '44, I think the system better suits the limited communications and maneuvering options of the Civl War. I seem to recall reading about a possible AWI version, which I would likely snap up in a heartbeat if it followed the BC/M44 model and came with figs. Just not interested in the "block" approach of the C&C line.

Outlaw Tor14 Jun 2018 5:27 p.m. PST

Oh ya, add Red Alert to my list, #11…?

BrotherSevej14 Jun 2018 5:52 p.m. PST

Really, just pick up the theme that interests you most.

Another thing to consider is product support, if you want to go deep. Memoir 44 is the most expansive one, followed by C&C Ancients.

USAFpilot14 Jun 2018 6:59 p.m. PST

Aren't they all the same game? The pieces might differ but they all basically play identically.

The three I played are similar but there are differences. Memoir'44 is the simplest and therefore easiest to learn and teach others. Napoleonics has added features like 1) the ability of cavalry to retire and reform, 2) use of artillery in a combined arms with other units, and most importantly 3) the ability of infantry to form square.

The engine which drives the game is the same but there are differences more than just the differences in theme and artwork. But you are correct in that if you can play one, you can play them all. Ancients and Napoleonics have about the same number of expansions. Napoleonics gets really fun with expansion #6 Epic, with a much larger game board to fight bigger battles.

redbanner414514 Jun 2018 7:07 p.m. PST

1 by far

JonFreitag14 Jun 2018 8:58 p.m. PST


JeffGrein Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 9:42 p.m. PST

Liar's Dice


#1 if I only have those choices

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2018 10:34 p.m. PST

4. Battle Cry!

bobspruster15 Jun 2018 1:46 a.m. PST

I own 2, 3 and 4 and think the game system is fun….but I have a hard time thinking of them as wargames when they seem to me to be more thematic games about war.

Dexter Ward15 Jun 2018 2:10 a.m. PST

4 – I liked the original ACW version best.
3 – Memoir 44 is Ok as well
1 – I never liked the rules for ancients for some reason
Not played the others, but I hear the new Great War game in the series is very good.

Bob in Edmonton15 Jun 2018 5:29 a.m. PST

6, Tricorne is pretty slick.

(Leftee)15 Jun 2018 9:10 a.m. PST

Ancients. Great series. Need to pick up Spartans then the Byzantine/Sassanid (which seems to be labeled as Medieval.)

tyler hamm15 Jun 2018 12:16 p.m. PST

#8 Siege of the Citadel

Mollinary15 Jun 2018 1:28 p.m. PST

1 Ancients Epic is, IMHO, by far the best. But I am really enjoying 6 Tricorne., the AWI variant. Napoleonics has far too much ‘chrome' for me, which detracts from the simple game play which make the series so attractive.

Karellian Knight15 Jun 2018 5:05 p.m. PST


coopman Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2018 6:39 a.m. PST

You could always "de-chrome" the Nap. version and it would then be more like "Battle Cry" Napoleonics. I do kind of agree with you.

coopman Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2018 8:59 a.m. PST

Even though I've had the C&C:A game and all of its expansions ever since they came out, I've never actually played it. I have played the heck out of "Battle Cry" and "Memoir '44". I've played a couple of "Tricorne" games & like it so far. Very hard for me to pick a fav, so I won't.

ernieR16 Jun 2018 11:28 a.m. PST

i've played 2 , 3 and 4 and liked them all . i really like the system , it's easy to move from one era to another because there are enough similarities in the rules , but there are also enough differences to feel like you're playing the period .
Memoir plays fast enough that we can play 4 games in a typical evening (3 hours at the LGS), playing 2 scenarios and switching sides to give both players equal chances to win .
we do find that both luck with cards and luck with dice can be very important to winning , but the games are always fun .

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2018 9:52 p.m. PST

1 played on 6x12 foot table with miniatures.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2018 11:25 a.m. PST

1 then 4.

95th Division23 Jun 2018 7:09 a.m. PST


mpanko25 Jun 2018 6:56 a.m. PST

2. Played in our annual Waterloo Day game here in Orlando over the weekend. Was able to get 3 games in at the Epic scale (8 players) to include lunch, BS and working in new rules…

Hard to beat the C&C system from a pure fun aspect…but I am biased.


Clays Russians15 Oct 2018 12:05 p.m. PST

Ancients, without a doubt or hesitation. Ancients "fired" M44.

Mooseworks815 Oct 2018 4:47 p.m. PST


leofwine 306 Nov 2018 5:58 a.m. PST

2 and then 3

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2018 10:09 a.m. PST

Between Ancients and Battle Cry, but I gotta go Ancients.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2018 11:14 a.m. PST


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