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Adaros12 Jun 2018 11:11 p.m. PST

One of the other periods I always eyed is the Second Punic War. Since I had done Kadesh in 20mm using the kits provided by Caesar Miniatures and supplemented by Newlines, I've been eyeballing 1/72 plastic for this period. However looking at Victrix I can't help but be intrigued by their plastics. If you were to pick a scale to play Hail Caesar what would you pick? 20mm or 28mm?

rct7500113 Jun 2018 4:32 a.m. PST

I'm doing it in 28mm. But only a small number of Victrix. Mainly Crusader, A&A, Aventine and a few Foundry.

I'm also using Impetus

Personal logo Frank Wang Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jun 2018 5:03 a.m. PST

28mm, that's my choice but the 28mm elephants are great problems.
anyway, 1:72 are fine, though the new release are very slow.

Marcus Brutus13 Jun 2018 5:46 a.m. PST

Some the 28mm figures are truly inspiring to paint. I love the Aventine line of figures. Nothing in plastic or metal really compares with these gems. I don't find the 28mm elephants a problem at all, especially now that the bodies of most lines are in resin (the original Aventine elephants were really heavy!)

I think you will find that most rules sets have great difficulty in modelling the Punic Romans. I am a big fan of Impetus but I will admit that these rules don't really model the Punic Romans well. I haven't seen any set do it properly (ie. get the right feel.)

Cooldude13 Jun 2018 8:48 a.m. PST

I'm doing 28mm Punic Wars right now so may be a bit biased. I'm using mostly old glory stuff since their OG army program makes fielding a large army pretty economical. I'm supplementing that with figures from Crusader and Warlord to add a bit of variety. I'm basing these up for Hail Ceaser with 16 men per regular unit and 20 for warbands. Should fit great on my 8x4 table. Whatever you end up with have fun collecting and gaming!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2018 11:21 a.m. PST

28mm, Victrix supplemented with Aventine.

Good luck.

legatushedlius13 Jun 2018 12:52 p.m. PST

Bought the Victrix elephants and very impressed with them since bought Victrix infantry. Anatomy is so much better than my old Crusader and A&A figures. Victrix all the way for me now.

John Leahy13 Jun 2018 1:06 p.m. PST

I do it in 15mm using Heritage figs. I am also a big fan of 1/72 scale. I recently picked up painted 6mm for the Punic Wars too. My 28mm Ancients figs are for after the Punic Wars. Late Republic.



ScottS13 Jun 2018 9:21 p.m. PST

28mm, Aventine (metal) and Victrix (plastic) are outstanding.

Diocletian28414 Jun 2018 8:48 a.m. PST

I have 28mm Crusader Republican Romans. Very happy with them. Painted up really well. I also have a box of Victoria plastics. I have not assembled and panted them, but they look like great molds. I have my figures on that individual bases with magnets on bottom. That way I can place on different sizes based depending on what game I am playing. I mostly play ADLG, but can do Hail Caesar, Impetus, or DBA.

I agree with Marcus Brutus. No game system I have run into handles the Republican Roman manipular system well. So When I play, I just work with whatever the game system has. ADLG and DBA are similar and make no attempt at all, Impetus and Hail Caesar have rules for it, just night right feel

wmyers14 Jun 2018 12:05 p.m. PST

I think space and budget are key factors between 1/72 and 28mm figures.

1/72 figures paint up a LOT faster than 28mm, as well.

With 1/72 you can easily form BOTH sides for campaigns so it does not matter if your opponents have the proper figures to play.

Oh, another factor would be do you want to get playing fairly quickly or do you want to spend countless hours preparing your figures for play? (20mm for the former, 28mm for the latter)

wmyers14 Jun 2018 12:09 p.m. PST

As for the rules sets not seeming quite right, those who have noted that, have you tried Warhammer Ancient Battles?

I am thinking that rule set has more emphasis on individual troop types, weapons and armour.

Adaros14 Jun 2018 9:28 p.m. PST

Thanks for all of your opinions. I really still am torn about scale choice haha. Budget is a slight concern, therefore 20mm. However some of the plastic kits just aren't very well sculpted for the Romans. That or the poses suck.

28mm plastic kits on the other hand, are amazingly well done. Now I'm not opposed to metal. I just feel I get more bang for the buck so to speak with plastic. I don't mind the assembly part, having come to enjoy the hobby thanks to the GW games and kits.

If it helps I will be building both sides.

Benvartok14 Jun 2018 10:27 p.m. PST

I have just chosen Early Carthies for my next army. It will be 28mm as that is a great scale to paint and it will be Aventine as they look amazing. Not the full range and they have no immediate plans to expand. However Victrix have the Gauls and Foundry have Numidian.

You may consider 28 or 20mm as a price thing bu.t also if you plan to play outside the home or against non historical opponents. What are others playing in your local club or community….

28mm does take a while, my dbmm Vikings are complete after 7years…..tfg…..

Hobhood415 Jun 2018 10:22 a.m. PST

I found 1.72 hard for Punics. Newline metals are fine, but I got bored painting them. The Zvezda plastics are taller and not mixable. They are superb but not enough poses. Hat are rough and ready but can look OK from a distance when painted. May only problem with the more recent 28mm plastics is that they are so beautiful that doing justice to them is too time consuming. I've just moved to 15mm for everything.

wmyers15 Jun 2018 11:55 p.m. PST

Agema figures are very nice! Victrix are very nice too. I have both and I believe you can use them together (some say they would not).

Both are plastic and I think both can be interchanged for heads (just a bit of greenstuff as the necks are not the same).

For the record, I have thousands of 20mm figures but since I've gotten into 28mm I haven't done much with the 20mm (other than some WWII).

I think if you gave the 28mm figures a try you will be hooked (it's a dangerous … addiction)

ether drake Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2018 9:32 p.m. PST

I'm building both sides, Carthage and Rome, in both plastic and metal.

I started from a core of plastic Victrix for both for the sake of economy, though I much prefer metal. There are some good army builder deals from Victrix to bulk up the forces. The plastic range is now quite comprehensive. The only thing you'd need to go metal on now is characters, some cavalry and maybe Ligurians.

I sourced characters and cavalry from a mix of Aventine, Crusader and Foundry. Old Glory for the Ligurians.

For Hail Caesar/To The Strongest I'm using Impetus-style diorama basing to cut down on the number of figures I have to prep.

Jefthro322 Jun 2018 5:04 p.m. PST

in the 70s soft plastics from Airfix et al was all I could afford, metal figures were an aspiration. Now the problem is how long it takes to paint the army so I prefer Metal as my buying power as increased and my painting time as decreased. Most of my miniatures are 15mm metal but for the Punic wars they are New line Design 20mm,I try to keep to this manufacturer for the classical period as they are superb-value for money. I use soft plastic figures a little for ww2 But the thought of the detailed painting of a plastic figure and having to glue them together , is a no starter. buying hundreds of plastic miniatures doesn't increase my painting speed. But They are good figures .

companycmd05 Jul 2018 3:44 p.m. PST

If not 15mm, then 22mm aka 1/72 is the best choice especially for small table footprint and affordability. Go with Zvezda Hat and Italeri and everything you need should be easily available, and painting plastics is not nearly a problem as most make it out to be. I have massive collections for very little expense.

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