"Activations in Chain of Command." Topic

Is that the little mantra you repeat to yourself when ever everybody doesn't bow down to your vast knowledge?

Its what I tell everyone who likes to say that there are lots of people who believe the idea that some unknown 'friction' is occuring every few seconds, with absolutely no evidence for it, and evidence against.
I suppose it could also be put, start thinking.
I did point out your Rommel quote and your continued errors. That you don't want to realise your mistakes is not my problem. Please do try and find some 'friction' that is not down to enemy action or terrain.
I did think about ammunition supply in Chain of Command but was told that since its only covering a few minutes of real life, its unimportant. I can accept that POV.
OK if you really do believe what you have posted, post the quote that supports it. I will warn you that cannot because it does not exist, but try.

Except there was enemy action and they troops had to be ordered to stop running as they were moving too fast because they were worried they were going to get shot at.

Now to make it simple, I will start you off (again).

Captain Calhoun sent his 2d Platoon down the road. I assembled my CP group and the 3d Platoon and waited until the F Company men had gone two hundred yards. I signalled "Forward" and we started toward the objective on the run, a single column following the ditch on either side of the road. The pace was too fast, and I slowed to a fast walk.

You keep repeating this, and I keep pointing out that that's not what the rule is modeling, and you keep not getting it.

OK if you really do believe what you have posted, post the quote that supports it. I will warn you that cannot because it does not exist, but try.

Here you go,

"Meanwhile the troop were trying to make an impression on the frozen ground with their spades, but it was only by using the few available and crowbars that we made any progress."

Rommel in his "Observations" at the end of the account He make these comments on why the attack failed,

"With three battalions in line, inadequate reserves were available. Shortages in small-arms ammunition and hand grenades increased our troubles in the defense…"

"In making our hasty preparations for the attack, we gave no thought to heavy entrenching tools."

Ok there it is, I'll even explain them for you.

They are unable to dig in because of the frozen ground. They want to dig defenses in case the French counter-attack but can't because the ground is too hard for the tools they have with them. The French were pretty good but I don't think they were able to freeze the ground so the German wouldn't be able to dig in.

Not enough troops to defend the area they captured because before the attack not enough men and ammunition were made available.

Do to the fact that they didn't have enough time to prepare for the attack they forgot to bring along heavy entrenching tools. Again I sure the French didn't make them forget the heavy tools.

And before you deny them yes they are examples of real friction.

…until you do, just what do you expect me to say. Comment on something I know nothing about?

Why stop now?

Now to make it simple, I will start you off (again).

Except that isn't where is starts, that is where you want people to think it starts so that it will be out of context. Maybe you had better look up the word, context so you'll know what it means.

Here is where it starts,

"No use now," the artillery observer said. "Sonofabitch will sure give us hell when he catches us on that open hill to the next town."
I was suddenly afraid of crossing the exposed forward slope of the hill leading to Varlossen. It had been an easy day as far as casualties were concerned. I wondered why regiment did not let well enough alone and forget this next objective until the next day. The Germans would pull out during the night, if we would only give them time.
I went downstairs and found that my company had assembled. F Company was forming across the road. The tanks that would support us were lined up on the road.
The Colonel called Captain Calhoun and me together for final instructions. Another round of enemy shellfire suddenly whistled overhead and crashed behind us, followed by another and another.
"They're giving them hell back there in Ellershausen," the Colonel said. "Easy Company lost a jeep and trailer in the first barrage."
The Colonel said the instructions were the same as before.
"Let me know when you're ready," he said.
I walked to the crest of the hill with Captain Byrd while the company was forming. We stood looking at the terrain before us when the next barrage came in. We could tell by the swish instead of whistle that it was intended for us instead of the town behind us.
The Germans had evidently found the range of the confusion of men and tanks on the hill. The shells burst all around us, and shrapnel whistled low overhead. I could hear the sound of the gun being fired in the distance, followed by the noise of the shell in flight that grew in intensity and found me holding my breath when it finally exploded on the hilltop. Fragments whined above the shallow ditch. Another burst sounded in the distance, and we knew another was on the way.
"Two bits on where she'll land, Mac," Byrd laughed falsely.
"No takers," I answered. I winced as the shell exploded on the hilltop.

As you know since you've posted it before, this is the account of the events immediately before the part you like to post out of context.

We waited for the next shell, but it did not come. I stood up and looked around. The hill was barren, except for the TDs and tanks which had pulled back to the reverse slope. There were no casualties. I was amazed at how quickly the mass of men had found cover.
A talk with Captain Calhoun brought the decision to ask the Colonel for permission to ride the tanks into Varlossen. The less time we were exposed on the forward slope of the hill the better, it seemed. It was obvious now that more than one enemy tank had fired. They had the range and could easily blast any slow-moving object that appeared on the other side of the hill.
"Each of you send one rifle platoon on tanks," the Colonel decided, "and both of you keep on the right of the road. The hill seems to drop off slightly on that side. Have the platoons take your extra 300 radio with them, and as soon as they're inside the town, we'll send the rest down one platoon at a time."
I designated Lieutenant Bagby's platoon for the mission since they had bee is support all day. The tanks moved to the right of the road, and the men climbed aboard, careful to sit to the side and rear of the tank to give the gunners inside a clear field of fire to the front. Private First Class Shepherd from my headquarters group went with them as radio operator.
Both platoons signaled ready. The big tanks raced their motors and plunged down the hill in a race toward the town. One tank fell behind. Something was wrong with its motor. I was it was Bagby's tank, and I knew the men riding it were cursing the misfortune that had stalled them on the slope, I expected at any moment to hear the sound of the enemy tank, but the motor started again and the tank raced on.
The lead tanks began to spit tracer bullets from their machine guns into the grey line of houses before them. One hundred yards to go. Fifty yards. The riflemen jumped from the tanks and raced on foot for toward the town and disappeared from view. They made it! I felt like cheering.

Now see if you add that part you get what is known as context it's very important in understanding what or why things are happening latter in the story.

As anybody can see there is enemy fire right up to just a few minutes before they begin their attack on the next village. Which disproves your claim that there was no enemy action. The men on the scene sure felt the effects of the enemy's fire and they certainly expected it to continue as they advanced on the village. MacDonald even recounts his nervousness as the first group moves to the village.

Now as to why they started out running since MacDonald doesn't say actually write that he ordered the men to run you can't honestly claim that he did. Why the men began running we can only speculate.

Since he doesn't mention ordering them to run or that he changed his mind when he saw that they were moving too fast and ordered them to slow down. We do know however that they were worried that the previous force would be fired on Therefore the most logical conclusion is that they started out running on their own accord when ordered to move to cross the ground before the enemy could fire on them. So your claim that it was a walk in the sun is at best spurious.

Of course we can never know for certain why the men began running.

Jdginaz,

I would stick to the original thread, as all that's happening here is VVV is opening separate fronts in a desperate rearguard action, attempting to sow confusion as his argument is defeated at every turn.

DB

It's all gone quiet, maybe they've retreated…

Too quiet said the wiser sergeant…

Trolls need to eat at some point.
Being an online pest won't sate their appetite forever.

Cheers

Maybe he went for a stroll in the country and its taking him longer than he thought to get home?

In a strange way, I miss him. So much laughter has gone from my life.

Maybe he went for a stroll in the country and its taking him longer than he thought to get home?

Perfect! Almost choked on my water.

Jdginaz, I think you win the prize for the best (and maybe last) post on this thread.

I'd say Northern Monkey should get best post. I just re-posted it

I would be interested to know how many infantry games of CoC VW has played to decide the system needs improving. I feel that possibly he doesn't quite understand that minimising the number of units activating reduces the IGO UGO systems and introduces an almost simultaneous movement system by limiting the number of units activating. Even in BA with the very clever activation system, because all units have an attempt to go, if a unit has activated then the enemy can move across their front with impunity. The limited activation of CoC means this is unlikely. Speaking as an ex British infantry officer, I do feel the Lardies have got this right.

Since Brechtel, and his little ‘bad toad' Gazzola have been behaving themselves on the Napoleonic boards, I've missed the ‘blind belligerence' style that vvv has been spouting on this thread. Really cheered me up, cheers!

Peace out……..

John

It appears to me VVV is simply trying (desperately) to undermine a critically acclaimed set of rules.
As explained in the other thread (comparing BA to CoC) his credibility on this subject is rather suspect.
He reminds me of a man in a dark room with a blindfold on looking for a black cat that isn't there!
However with his OWN rules he's found it!!
( credit to Dave Allan)

He just wanted to share his enlightenment and happiness with we poor deluded fools who believe in 'friction'

In his next thread he'll prove the non-existence of 'electricity'.

I'd be grateful if he did explain electricity to me. I've never quite understood why it doesn't dribble out of a wall socket like water would….

I'm curious what rules this VVV person created?

He's written a rule set called ‘Action All Fronts'.
You can find links to them here:

link

electricity is the emperor's new clothes.
I just cannot see it myself. Everyone can take a moment in turn to understand coal and wood and you can touch it, feel it and set fire to it. I,ve never met anyone who says they have touched electricity and handled a lump of it or squeezed some heat out of it..so that can't be possible and obviously anyone saying it is must just be self delusional.

YHMV ….your humour may vary

well I've had electricity handle me a few times, at those time I knew it existed. :)