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Terry3710 Jun 2018 6:24 a.m. PST

In looking at the Battle for long Island, I see this brigade was commanded by Major General Werner von Mirbach. But later at Trenton, it is commanded by Rall. I am trying to find out why Rall took over from Mirbach, but have not been able to find anything. What happened to Mirbach? Can anyone help?

Thanks you,


23rdFusilier Supporting Member of TMP10 Jun 2018 8:08 a.m. PST

Shortly after the Battle of Long Island Mirbach suffered a stroke.

Fridericus10 Jun 2018 8:31 a.m. PST

Generalmajor Werner von Mirbach fell ill in New York in 1777 and was sent back to Hessen-Cassel. I couldn't, however, find out why he did not command the Hessian troops at Trenton. Probably he was with his regiment (he was its colonel since 1770) somewhere else, and Rall commanded the brigade at Trenton.

Terry3710 Jun 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

Thank you gentlemen! Very interesting.


Michael Westman11 Jun 2018 9:07 a.m. PST

Atwood's "The Hessians" says on page 82, "The three major generals, Mirbach, Stirn, and Schmidt, were all hors de combat; a stroke had put Mirbach out of service for the whole campaign." And on page 90, "It was never Heister's intention, any more than Donop's, that Rall, a fairly junior colonel, should command a brigade. It came about by force of circumstance: Rall's brigadier Mirbach had been ill since arriving in America, Colonel Carl von Bose who succeeded him also fell sick, Colonel Heringen of Lossberg's, senior to Rall, died of dysentery at Brooklyn, and Colonel Borcke of Knyphausen's was convalescing from a wound at New York."

Winston Smith11 Jun 2018 9:29 a.m. PST

"Rall could use some seasoning. But it's winter quarters. What could possibly go wrong?"

Bill N11 Jun 2018 9:54 a.m. PST

I just assumed that when the troops went into winter quarters in outlying garrisons lower level officers were left in command while the senior officers went back to stay in New York. Did not realize so many senior Hessian commanders were hors de combat.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP11 Jun 2018 1:07 p.m. PST

+1 to Winston.


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