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HappyHussar07 Jun 2018 1:02 p.m. PST

There was a Saxon Ducal House cavalry regiment that took part in the siege of Colberg in 1807. Would anyone know of a color print for the uniform for this unit?

At first I thought it was part of the Saxon army but then I remembered that the small duchies had their own units as well.

Preferably a "head to foot" image so I can see the entire uniform.

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2018 2:05 p.m. PST

It was an infantry regiment – the 4th Rheinbund Regiment. The regiment was formed from the troops (numbers in brackets are the obligations under the Treaty) as follows: Saxe-Weimar (800 men in 5 light companies),
Saxe-Gotha (1,100 men in 8 fusilier companies),
Saxe-Meiningen (300 men in 2 fusilier companies),
Saxe-Coburg (400 men in 2 companies,
Saxe-Hildeburghausen (200 men in 1 company).

The companies from Gotha & Meiningen were to form 2 battalions and they wore the Gotha uniform. The Weimar, Hildeburghausen and Coburg troops were used to form a light battalion. Hildburghausen troops wore the Weimar uniform.

On 17 March 1807 the forces of Gotha & Meiningen were organised into a 4 company battalion – one of which was a grenadier company. 3 companies from Gotha & 1 from Meiningen. It had 14 officers and 474 men. Major von Kessel commanded.

In March 1807 the Weimar battalion was not fully incorporated into the regiment It had 24 officers and 707 men.

In late April 1807 the regiment began its first military operations when it joined the French army besieging Colberg. It was not very strong – the Weimar battalion had 270 men, and the Gotha-Miningen battalion just 224 men. On 1 May it received reinforcements of 2 companies from Gotha (1 of grenadiers) and a company from Meiningen.

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TMPWargamerabbit07 Jun 2018 6:15 p.m. PST

HH,
I would really have to find the material for that cavalry Regiment…. more likely a converged sqn. or two but not a "regiment" in actual size of formation. We are talking about the small Saxon Duchies here.

First thing….. the year is 1807. The CotR was barely organized in that year. most states were raising…. increasing their infantry continent sizes. Saxon Gotha Alterburg and Saxon Altenburg had a Garde du Corps of 75 dismounted "Guard du Korps". Saxon Weimar had a small force of hussars, less than a sqn. again and really a "Gendarme" unit in the duchy. Schwarzburg Rudolstadt and Schwarzburg Sondershausen had a Garde du Corps, which I must assume was another small unit lacking information. These are the only cavalry units I know of from the Saxon Duchy minor states which formed the CotR and I doubt they were ever brigaded together. So where a "cavalry regiment comes from in 1807 is unknown to me unless the Regiment name is misleading. Should note I have these puny units painted in the collection for tabletop assuming play.

So a thought….. it is not the small Chassuer (Jager zu Pferd) regiment from the House of Nassau maybe… misnamed? I have seen Nassau units being labelled as "Ducal" regiments, but not from the Saxon minor states. I think they travelled with the small Nassau two regiment continent serving in the 1807 campaign in the rear areas and the sieges.

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Oliver Schmidt07 Jun 2018 11:36 p.m. PST

On 1st April 1807, the only cavalry Loison possessed were 82 men of "united dragoons" (dragons réunis):

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Who is the source for this "Saxon Ducal House cavalry regiment", and what does he give as his sources ?

Oliver Schmidt07 Jun 2018 11:45 p.m. PST

It seems these dragoons were taken form him by an order of $ May 1807:

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