Tango01  | 04 Jun 2018 11:30 a.m. PST |
Was he?… (smile)
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Armand |
| robert piepenbrink | 04 Jun 2018 12:33 p.m. PST |
Let's see. He was assimilated by the Borg. He was broken by the Kardashians, and the Freenghi stole his ship. Am I remembering correctly that the Klingons gave him a rough time too? I gave up on the series well before the franchise gave up on him. No, I wouldn't give him command of a shuttlecraft. The measure of a ship captain in a fleet--ANY fleet--is mission success and doing the things which make the admirals happy. Anyone who measures them by procedure--"he wasn't afraid to ask for help"--or by things completely non-mission related--"he's in his prime;" "he's a cultured man"--has lost track of why nations have warships. |
| Tango01 | 04 Jun 2018 12:47 p.m. PST |
So…. only defeats and no victories? (smile)
That bad was his balance…?
Amicalement
Armand
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| Aethelflaeda was framed | 04 Jun 2018 1:18 p.m. PST |
Nations have warships in space? I thought the mission was exploration. They might be armed but warfare was a secondary role. I don't think the franchise gave up on him either. |
| Pictors Studio | 04 Jun 2018 3:07 p.m. PST |
I think Han Solo was the better captain. Nobody commanded a ship better than he commanded the Sulaco. |
| StarCruiser | 04 Jun 2018 3:41 p.m. PST |
A Frenchman with a British accent?!? That's his first fail… |
| ZULUPAUL | 04 Jun 2018 6:33 p.m. PST |
Nobody was better than James T. Kirk!! |
| Wackmole9 | 04 Jun 2018 7:06 p.m. PST |
I think I'am going to puke in the Turbolift over this one. |
| The H Man | 05 Jun 2018 5:19 a.m. PST |
I didn't think a list of reasons was necessary. For those, such as I, not sure what's going on up the top, there is some joke I have not bothered to look to far into regarding the Cardassians and the more deadly Kardashians, of reality tv fame. Hence the use of the name there, I assume, unless its just a bad case of miss spelling. If they appear in trek again, perhaps Kim could play one, having the joke come full circle? |
| Mobius | 05 Jun 2018 8:28 a.m. PST |
For me he jumped the shark where he rats out an admiral who researched a cloaking device for the Federation because a treaty said the Federation was not to research cloaking technology. In a following episode he orders the Enterprise into the neutral zone (to rescue some people) thus violating a treaty. He faced no charges for this. Then they had the warp speed limit so save the galaxy. |
| robert piepenbrink | 05 Jun 2018 9:49 a.m. PST |
H Man, I couldn't remember which was which, and decided it wasn't worth looking up. Two groups of really, really dull humanoid aliens. No program or "news" with either one is worth watching. There used to be a Simpson in the news who wasn't related to Bart, too. Which one was that? And I think when they stopped making "Next Generation" TV shows or using Picard in movies, the franchise had given up on him. It's happened to more interesting characters. I had given up years before, and at that, I stayed too long. And yes, Aethelflaeda, in the Star Trek 'verse, they have warships in space. Ask the earlier and saner Roddenberry. Or the Romulans. Or the Klingons. Just because Gene the Great had gone completely around the bend by the time the Next Generation came out… |
| Cyrus the Great | 05 Jun 2018 11:25 a.m. PST |
The best starship captain was Jonathan Archer. |
| Tango01 | 05 Jun 2018 12:11 p.m. PST |
"….And I think when they stopped making "Next Generation" TV shows or using Picard in movies, the franchise had given up on him…." Well… he is going back soon on Discovery… so… (smile) Amicalement
Armand |
| The H Man | 05 Jun 2018 7:23 p.m. PST |
I think he just cost too much to use. They don't give up on characters, they just don't use them all all the time. How many Trek characters can you squeeze onto the promenade? Odo would have a fit! Archer was good. Not too cowboy like Kirk, not too much to prove like Sisko and Janeway, not too poetic like Picard. But, then he possibly lacked an edge because of that. Then thats wrong. He was a cowboy in the eyes of the Vulcans. He had a lot to prove to the other races. How could any captain not be poetic (still not sure thats the right word) when he gazes at the cosmos through the view screen, or his crew across the mess hall? |
| EagleSixFive | 06 Jun 2018 7:42 a.m. PST |
Don't need 10 reasons, he just was………. |
 Parzival | 08 Jun 2018 7:41 p.m. PST |
Patrick Stewart made the character more than the sum of his episodes, but as actual captains go, Kirk still wins, because he's Kirk. No other reasons are needed. |
| Tumbleweed | 09 Jun 2018 10:24 a.m. PST |
I've mentioned this before, but shortly before he was cast as Kirk, Shatner did a pilot for a TV series with him starring as Alexander the Great. I've seen the episode and it is a hoot, with TV's Adam West (Of Batman fame) as his side-kick. Imagine a weekly TV show about Alexander the Great. The phalangites carry stupid-looking prop sarissas about four-feet long, the series regulars engage in idle banter and everyone carries on with a 1960's sort of lame hipness. You have to see it to believe it! I found it in a collection of other lost TV shows in a set I purchased at Ollie's. |
