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Marc at work01 Jun 2018 8:50 a.m. PST

I hope this is the right place to discuss this news, and is not something that has been discussed at length before – I miss the TMP search function.

John Ray will be known to most TMP 18th Century forum members, from his work on 28mm AWI figures, and his marvelous book "A military gentleman".

Well, I recently "re-discovered" his blog, and found that he had been sculpting a range of 22mm 7YW figures. However, when I contacted him, he said that there had been very little interest shown – but he wonders if that is because his blog followers are mostly 28mm collectors. So I asked if he would object to me spreading his project news a little wider, and he agreed.


I hope this link takes you to a useful page – his blog is still a WIP, so the "22'ers" tab doesn't show much, but the main page, if one scrolls back, shows what he has sculpted so far.

If this is of interest, then please do let John know (via his blog or his email as it would be good for him to see if there is a wider interest. Currently his plans are on hold, so it is down to what public interest and enthusiasm there may be if he is to be encouraged to continue.

Of course, please do share this wider if this is of interest to you – John's figures deserve to be seen and made available to a wider audience, outside of the UK/US 28mm fraternity.

For clarity, I have no connection with John except as a purchaser of his book, and my various email discussions with him, But I am interested in this range of 22mm figures and so would be pleased if there was enough interest shown to tempt John into (even a limited) production run.


Hunlion Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 9:41 a.m. PST

Do you know the cost per figure foot and mounted?


Silurian01 Jun 2018 9:48 a.m. PST

Really nice sculpting.

Marc the plastics fan01 Jun 2018 9:53 a.m. PST

No. I just know that John felt there was little interest in the range, which I felt was a shame

Hunlion Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 10:05 a.m. PST

What do you think would John Rays figures would match Minifgs 25mm SYW figures.


Marc the plastics fan01 Jun 2018 10:19 a.m. PST

Hmmm. The Minifigs are fat little fellows so I would imagine style wise they would be odd bed fellows

Vintage Wargaming01 Jun 2018 10:23 a.m. PST

A while ago I found and bought the display figures from Bill Lamming's short lived but much praised (at the time) SYW Range


If Mr Ray's 22mm figures are compatible with these, I for one would be interested. They look like excellent sculpts – especially like that mounted drummer.

Hunlion Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 10:27 a.m. PST

Those Lammings are full of Character.


Vintage Wargaming01 Jun 2018 10:30 a.m. PST

MTPF – Hunlion was asking about S Range, not the later (and still current) Minifigs Range, which were and are horrible. S Range were properly proportioned and slimmer.

See here on my Lone S Ranger blog


There's no way of telling if they would be compatible without seeing figures from both ranges together

Vintage Wargaming01 Jun 2018 10:38 a.m. PST

Hunlion – yes they are lovely, and considering they date from the early 70s the paint job has stood up really well. No one knew anything about them but once I found them with a clear identification quite a few people found they had some for ages without knowing what they were

Vintage Wargaming01 Jun 2018 10:49 a.m. PST

And if they work with Lamming they would work with S Range

Duc de Brouilly01 Jun 2018 12:18 p.m. PST

The figures look excellent, as one would expect. But of course it's his 28mm figures that I'd really like to get my hands on!

Marc the plastics fan01 Jun 2018 12:36 p.m. PST

Just the 22s at this point please 😀

Prince Lupus Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 12:50 p.m. PST

Definitely would be. Having started an imagination with Zvezda i would like to expand into better sculpts and a wider range.

Hunlion Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 12:59 p.m. PST

I would still like to know basic information like how much do the figures cost.

Is it a secret or do you have to be a club member?


Vintage Wargaming01 Jun 2018 1:10 p.m. PST

From the original post I don't think Mr Ray is planning this as a commercial venture. He doesn't sell his 28mm figures which are for his own use. The OP is hoping that if enough people express an interest he might be persuaded to do a limited production run others could buy into. There simply isn't any cost information available as he is not currently thinking of selling them so why would he have worked this out?

Hunlion Inactive Member01 Jun 2018 10:24 p.m. PST

Hi Vintage Wargaming,

Thanks for your comment. That has clarified the situation.


Marc the plastics fan01 Jun 2018 11:22 p.m. PST

Sorry, yes. From my original post:

"If this is of interest, then please do let John know (via his blog or his email as it would be good for him to see if there is a wider interest. Currently his plans are on hold, so it is down to what public interest and enthusiasm there may be if he is to be encouraged to continue."

It really does come down to whether there are people interested in finely made smaller scale figures, as I am. I would imagine cost would be similar to a 28mm metal based on my experiences of buying 1/72 figures from my European suppliers. But one pays for a quality product.

However, at this stage, it is about expressing interest, and whether people will send John an email to start the ball rolling.


Zagloba02 Jun 2018 12:42 p.m. PST

Wait, isn't AMG the guy who would delete his blog once a year and booted a bunch of people from his forum, which you could only join if you bought his book? And now he wonders why there isn't much interest in his new endeavor?

It boggles the mind


Marc the plastics fan03 Jun 2018 3:23 a.m. PST

A lot there that is right Rich, but said out of context so 100% wrong. If you contacted John I am sure he would explain much.

But the original blog was, I understand, limited to AMG book buyers as it contained additional copyrighted information that wasn't intended for public view. The book was/is a privately funded work of art, that cost John a lot of money, so I guess he wanted to reward purchasers somewhat.

However, his current blog is public, a showcases his work perfectly.

If you wanted to chat further off line, I am on
Marc dot flack at sayervincent dot co dot uk

Bon Homme Richard Inactive Member03 Jun 2018 7:20 a.m. PST

+100 to Zagloba. All of what he says is 100% accurate and most definitely said in context for it calls into question the willingness/interest of Mr. Ray in following through with any plans to sell his figures on a commercial basis.

If he would kick people (who invested a large sum of money for his book) out of his exclusive club without explanation to the members, suddenly close his forum without notice, routinely delete large sections of his blog,
then what assurances would potential purchasers have that he wouldn't one day decide to withdraw the availability of his figures to people and leave them high and dry without the means to build on the armies of figures that they had already purchased from him?

Based on his previous behavior, I am not confident that any such assurances of commitment carry any weight.

LeonAdler Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Jun 2018 11:30 a.m. PST

Im trying to figure out what a '22 er' is. If its a particular scale then why not actually say?

Marc the plastics fan05 Jun 2018 11:37 a.m. PST

Don't start Leon 😀. What's a 25mm, or a 6mm etc etc

It is something around the 20mm – 1/72 size/range

Which attracted me

LeonAdler Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Jun 2018 2:38 p.m. PST

Errrrrrrr well maybe the lack of interest has something to do with using a 'made up' scale rather than just saying 1/72 nd scale ( or 20mm in wargamers terms). Wouldnt that communicate something more meaningful? Allowing people to understand whether they would fit in with their existing collection or to plan a new one?
The funny thing about figure scales is that designers would much prefer to use fractional ones its the wargamer marketeers and the wargamers who repeat the spiel that want the 25/28/32mm etc but its wargamers that complain about it lol
Glad I'll be retreating back to the modelling world for good soon, will do wonders for my blood pressure lol

Marc the plastics fan05 Jun 2018 11:00 p.m. PST


Modelling world rather than gaming? What is happening Leon?

Terry Naylor12 Jun 2018 8:10 a.m. PST

After Mr Rays Emperor Tyrannical behaviour on his AMG forum , l would loose any confidence in backing a range that could be pulled from you instantly.
However they are nice figs in a strange scale.

Terry Naylor12 Jun 2018 8:13 a.m. PST

I must also say his is a talented fug designer

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