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Last Hussar25 May 2018 12:40 p.m. PST

I've bought the two army books for Field of Glory Napoleonic.

The main rules are Vol I. Volume II is Triumph of Nations,covering 1809 to 1815. Volume III is Eagles And Emperors, covering 1792 to 1807.

Think about that. Specifically consider when I put them on my bookshelf.

These are not just hope for wargamers, but NAPOLEONIC wargamers the gamers other wargamers go "calm down mate, its just a game".

These people are monsters.

Cacique Caribe25 May 2018 1:21 p.m. PST

So nothing for 1808? That is just plain EVIL!!! :)


robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 2:38 p.m. PST

I think His Imperial Majesty prefers that no one speak of 1808. I will never forget that image of him in C.S. Lewis' THE GREAT DIVORCE, pacing up and down a vast palace in Hell, still muttering that it was all someone else's fault.

martinwilliams26 May 2018 3:24 a.m. PST

It is, undeniably, strange labelling but having played the game a fair bit there are definitely lists for 1808. In fact all the Peninsular lists are in Emperors and Eagles.

It is a really good game but the rules are rather poorly organised and strangely written in places (I didn't play it for a couple of years after I first read it but was glad a friend got me to give it a chance)

V2 is about to be released. It vastly improves the clarity and organisation of the rules as well as adding a much more varied/interesting deployment system. I'm playing in a comp in Melbourne next month and the new edition should be available about the same time.


Legion 426 May 2018 5:59 a.m. PST

Since my intro to the net, I've run into some real muth'a Bleeped text'n Bleeped text holes, etc., etc. huh? Sadly some here, though many are no longer around these parts.

On a site that revolves around [supposed?] adults(?) playing with toys there was far too much vitriol, divisiveness, etc. here in the past. But again … many of those are somewhere else spewing that sort of Bleeped text, Bleeped text etc./no longer with us …

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, beliefs, concerns, etc. … But just because they are not the same as yours or others … well … Adults [should]agree to disagree and move on …

Glad to see there is very, very, little of that here these days. IMO it took Bill, etc., to commence with some "purges" to clean up that situation/problem. However, I will admit, some wheat was thrown out with the chaff … sadly … frown


Last Hussar26 May 2018 6:23 a.m. PST

There are 1808ists as a sort of "other theatres". This was more about volume order

martinwilliams26 May 2018 6:33 a.m. PST

Oh, fair enough. I suspect they thought 09-15 is more widely gamed and it was better to get those lists out first.


Stryderg26 May 2018 4:55 p.m. PST


"The main rules are Vol I. Volume II is Triumph of Nations,covering 1809 to 1815. Volume III is Eagles And Emperors, covering 1792 to 1807."

Do you put them on the shelf as Vol I, Vol II, Vol III
or in chronological order as Vol I, Vol III, Vol II

And what happens when Vol IV comes out covering 1808?
What about when you go to someone else's place and they have them a different order than yours?

Monsters, I say.

Last Hussar26 May 2018 5:24 p.m. PST

Martin Williams; I can see why people call them badly written; I don't think they are as bad as people have in their heads, but its the exceptions that create a long list of stuff to wade through, and they don't always repeat a rule if it is used in different situations. I had a bit of a search before finding how cavalry attachments affect things. I would like a game, I think I will like them.

Stryderg if they order them differently to me they are obviously wrong

martinwilliams27 May 2018 2:41 a.m. PST

Last Hussar, It is played a fair bit in parts of Australia (where I am) and New Zealand. I really enjoy it, the organisation is a bigger issue than the writing. Some people got their knickers all in a bunch about it using regiments rather than battalions but I think it works. You can complete a corps level game in 3 hours.

It is an Australian and a NZ'er who are doing the re-write, which is even better. Hopefully there will be an increase in interest when V2 is released.


madcam2us27 May 2018 6:08 a.m. PST

FoG *was*, (IMO) a GREAT game both one offs and tournaments… When FoGN came out I was very excited… But due to the bad rap of tournament players with the ancient set, I don't these ever had a chance… the poor organization didnt help.

I am eager to see if they have corrected that orgranization and if enough time has passed since FoGA was the rule set of *evil* tournament players…


Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2018 6:34 a.m. PST

Although I doubt I'll ever use FoGn as I'm very much enjoying General d'Armee, I think the set has potential.

I still like and use the FoG ancients and Renaissance sets and I admire the basic rule structure and approach of this range of rules.

Last Hussar27 May 2018 7:13 a.m. PST

I've had the rules 2 weeks and I am liking what I read. I just don't have an opponent. It isn't the language so much, it's the number of exceptions, and the exceptions to the exceptions. I'm writing a simple play sheet that should actually sort that out.

gamer127 May 2018 3:42 p.m. PST

Man that is so unlike the orderly way anything Napoleonic is done, bad rules, bad rules!
As a whole in my 20+ years I have met some great folks at conventions and yes if you play long enough or go to enough conventions you will eventually meet the guy(most likely) that takes the game way to seriously. Depending on my mood, sometimes I just ignore them and let the GM handle them, but sometimes I can't help but do little things to irritate them to see just how upset/childish they will get.
Nothing gets the "I am an expert on these rules and have been playing them for 20+ years and know more and am the smartest person at the table" then asking if they are sure they can move that unit that far or if they are allowed to change formation that way, or if they are sure that is the best move to make, LOL, but do it with a smile so most folks should know you are just picking, but they never do. BTW, if you act like you know nothing of the period that adds fuel to the fire.

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