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Noll C25 May 2018 12:11 p.m. PST

Looking to use 10mm caissons as 'markers' for GdA, but confused by recent purchase. Am I right in thinking that British 'caissons' consisted of a limber with ammo boxes as per the guns, towing a single-axle trailer with ammo boxes on (similar to US ACW I believe)? Or was this just for rockets? From a old TMP discussion I think Prussian caissons were similar in looks to French, only bigger? I'd like to try and get it sorted before I open discussions with the manufacturer concerned, whose interpretation is different to mine!

Artilleryman25 May 2018 3:31 p.m. PST

Your estimate is not far off. Here is a Prussian caisson from the Perry range.

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And a British ammunition wagon also from the Perrys

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But there was also the ammunition wagon used specifically by the RA and RHA.

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This was, as you say, hooked to the back of a standard limber.

Hope that helps.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2018 1:38 a.m. PST

Can I recommend the ex Westfalia, not Black Hussar version of the British ammo cart, as much more to scale, especially the wheels?


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von Winterfeldt26 May 2018 2:33 a.m. PST

I agree with deadhead, the Black Hussar (former Westphalia) wagons are excellent

Noll C26 May 2018 3:12 a.m. PST

Thanks. Always nice to know you're not too far off the mark. Alas recommendations appreciated but of limited value as 'markers' would dwarf the troops!

Now to tackle the manufacturers!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2018 8:51 a.m. PST

Of course I totally missed the point……you clearly did say 10mm scale………

OK, at least you now know what they should look like, if just a bit smaller?

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2018 2:07 p.m. PST

Noll,

I was in the same position as you a few months ago.

For the Befreiungskriege, the only dedicated Prussian caisson is from Magister Militum in the UK:

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MM Have really international services, but since you're in my old home county, that's not really an issue.

Personally I like the slightly more sturdy equipment from Old Glory 10mm.

Now Prussians used either own and British Equipment.

What I did was get the Russian caisson sets, the wagons look like the Perry Prussian ammunition wagon posted by Artilleryman above.

You can then either (a) get an extra set of Prussian Limbers to get you the right outriders, (b) Use the Russian outriders as they are, (c) use the Russian Outriders and file down the Shakoes to Prussian style. 10mm is really forgiving about this kind of thing.

British caissons come with outriders in Tarlton helmets that don't work for Prussians.

Personally I went for Russian caissons with Prussian outriders.

Hope this helps mate!

Elliott

Noll C28 May 2018 2:10 a.m. PST

Thanks for that Elliot

Unfortunately the OG ones come in larger number and higher cost than I'm looking for, but as you say 10mm is excellent for 'fudging', and as I'm not expecting many veterans of Quatre Bras or Ligny to see the figures I think I'll go down that route with what I have. Noddy suit on to deal with MM in Salisbury!

Cheers

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