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Alik99 Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2018 9:38 p.m. PST

Hello I've been using diluted PVA to keep flock in place. On a railway modelling website, someone was using hairspray.
Hairspray would be more convenient to use, but is it as effective and long-lasting for terrain being handled frequently? Thanks.

ancientsgamer Supporting Member of TMP24 May 2018 9:53 p.m. PST

Hairspray is water soluble… so, need to keep things dry. I can tell you from having mopped a floor after a few weeks of my wife using pump hairspray that it lasts as long as you don't get it wet.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian24 May 2018 10:19 p.m. PST

Hairspray is vulnerable to humidity, and may attract bugs.

Benvartok24 May 2018 10:27 p.m. PST

Anyone tried brill cream?

nevinsrip Sponsoring Member of TMP25 May 2018 2:10 a.m. PST

Use 3 M Super 77 Spray Adhesive and stop fooling around with either of those. Try it.

Dynaman878925 May 2018 5:37 a.m. PST

I tried bottle after bottle of hairspray once and it didn't work. Watered down PVA worked.

Marc at work25 May 2018 6:30 a.m. PST

Normally, the hairspray is applied over the top – so glue stuff down, then seal it in with hairspray.

Never heard of it being used as a glue in the first place.

Lot cheaper than 3 M Super 77 Spray Adhesive. Principally because, if you're sneaky, you can allocate it to the household budget…

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 6:30 a.m. PST

Pva as advised by Terrain Tutor videos worked. Spray too but was sticky and not so permanent.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 6:30 a.m. PST

Pva as advised by Terrain Tutor videos worked. Spray too but was sticky and not so permanent. Esp on trees.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP25 May 2018 6:35 a.m. PST

I use hair spray as, essentially, Dullcoat.

BUT you have to buy the right kind. You want the "helmet hair" brand that can be had in dollar stores cheap as chips. It needs to be a real aerosol can, not a pump spray.

Avoid anything that implies "soft hold" or feels natural or anything like that. You want old school Beehive hair concrete.

skinkmasterreturns25 May 2018 8:12 a.m. PST

White Rain extra hold unscented is your ticket.

cloudcaptain25 May 2018 9:42 a.m. PST

@Extra Crispy

How does that method hold up long term as a spray over the dip method?

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 12:38 p.m. PST

Nevinsrip, I shall look into this 3M spray. I'm planning on re-flocking some trees for more reallistic foliage and for gaming transportation and use I really want to nail them down.

Model railroad techniques aren't designed with the rigours of wargaming transport and handling in mind.

Alik99 Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 3:06 p.m. PST

Thanks everyone for all the comments. With regard to both hairspray and 3M spray, does any landing on adjacent model walls, houses, etc., dry completely after a short while: or remain sticky if there's no flock going on top of it?

stephen m25 May 2018 3:24 p.m. PST

After the foliage is glued down what works to stiffen it up against handling? I am looking at forest canopies which are repeatedly handled. I will probably be doing the ground foam and or lichen over sculpted foam with nails as supports method. Making it hard is OK too. Thank you.

Borderguy19025 May 2018 3:55 p.m. PST

Luke at APS just did a video on dipping in latex to make trees war gamer safe. Id at least soak in PVA after to make it harder than hairspray can possibly be.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 4:17 p.m. PST

@Stephen, what I typically do to harden scenery is to give it a light dabbing of Zap-a-Gap, and blot up any excess. That's pretty bullet-proof. get the big bottle of glue and wear a respirator!

Personal logo jhancock Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2018 5:03 p.m. PST

Acrylic Matt Medium. Liquitex, Scenic Express, or Woodland Scenics.

PaulRPetri25 May 2018 5:57 p.m. PST

cloudcaptain I am currently using the "Future" floor wax dip method, over plastic 1/72 figures, which leaves the figures very shinny. I then base the figures and flock the base. I then hit them hard with the Dollar Store hair spray. I let this dry about an hour then Dullcoat them. To me the hairspray leaves the figures too shiny. No problems with it holding up. As far as I can tell.

Paul

PaulRPetri25 May 2018 5:58 p.m. PST

I actually really use the hairspray to seal the flocked base not so much the figures.

stephen m26 May 2018 3:57 a.m. PST

miniMo

Thanks but due to excessive use of CA glues I have become very sensitive. Please avoid heavy use as many people I know have become sensitive. If you will be "soaking" any quantities do it outside!

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2018 1:25 p.m. PST

I'm quite sensitive as well now, and use a respirator to minimise the sneezing!

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