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Shakespear22 May 2018 6:09 a.m. PST


Almost 2 years late and little to no communication lead me to believe he used the kickstarter funds to make his 28mm modern figures of the Courage in Contact range he is now actively selling from his online shop.

Personal logo Andrew Walters Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2018 9:23 a.m. PST

Don't attribute to malice what can be ascribed to stupidity. After all, there is more of the latter in the universe than the former. That said, the money is still probably gone.

Does "no communication" mean they haven't sent any updates or that they are not responding to emails? Because those can mean two different things.

Akalabeth29 May 2018 9:58 a.m. PST

Didn't they update on the 22nd of May?

Also are the rules still available anywhere for download? Seems the links do not work.

Shakespear30 Oct 2018 4:44 p.m. PST

Still thinking its a scam

MiniPigs01 Nov 2018 4:10 p.m. PST

After 2 years, you're just now starting to think it's a scam?

Brother, I feel your pain but it's time to wake up and smell the rocket fuel.

Lion in the Stars01 Nov 2018 6:04 p.m. PST

Two years is not a long wait for some kickstarters that have gotten over-extended.

Shakespear02 Nov 2018 11:06 a.m. PST

True, its not until they go silent.

MiniPigs02 Nov 2018 12:17 p.m. PST

I went on that kick-starter and read not a few of the comments by White Dragon Miniatures. It's the typical routine, hide, duck, disappear and then resurface from time to time with a tale of whoa. And, either you swallow it wholesale and tell him how sorry you are or he's justified in turning it around on you.

This hobby is filled with so many people who have medical emergencies right after they get your money that it could lead a more suspicious person to believe they're taking advantage of a bunch of dumb wargmers. But that's just the jaded man's view.

For my part, I hired a "pro painter" who was patient with my email inquiries for weeks about my potential order and how quickly it would be finished, I even spoke with him on the phone. Oh the armies he'd painted, oh, the awards he'd won. It was like Christmas, Hanukah and Kwanzaa all rolled up into a pinata of beautifully painted miniatures.

Dont you know, as soon as I sent figures and paid a deposit, people around him started mysteriously falling desperately ill, requiring medicines and surgeries. At first it was all about explaining delays with reassurances that he'd finish it all up. Then, the communications got fewer and thinner between until, one day, he himself had all sorts of health problems. Poor guy, sounded like he was headed out to pasture but please dont worry he would tell me, he would finish my miniatures if he had to crawl to them on the floor and paint them with the brush held between his teeth.

Now, all communication has stopped for about 6 weeks, even though I email him regularly for updates. Last I heard from him, everything was just about finished but who knows why another 6 weeks would be required?

Anyway, i do appreciate he'll be finishing my minis up with the last tinges of his good health (A fact that i should be eternally grateful for) and I'm sure it's also just a concatenation of circumstances that all this happened as soon as the check cleared and not before. But, it does make a chappie wonder, eh Lion?

arodrig602 Nov 2018 4:33 p.m. PST

Ugh. Yes. I'm currently involved on the other side I'm working on a KS where two of our suppliers (editor/layout company and cover artist) disappeared or suffered a string of family illnesses… What a weird industry.

Lion in the Stars02 Nov 2018 5:03 p.m. PST

@Minipigs: Sure does.

Daricles02 Nov 2018 6:49 p.m. PST

The problem is that it is an "industry" full of hobbyists who have full time jobs outside of the industry and "companies" full of hobbyists collaborating together on projects.

They often start out with the best of intentions, but get in over their heads when they try to scale up and start taking orders for stuff they haven't already made and have sitting in inventory.

If you stick to established, full time businesses and only buy stuff from them that they have in inventory you are less likely to get burned. Even then, I've been stiffed a couple times.

MiniPigs04 Nov 2018 11:23 a.m. PST

The problem is further exacerbated by a lot of small minded, petty, emotional dwarfs in the hobby who have neither class nor scruples and who's tendency is to run away and hide when overwhelmed, only to return intermittently with a tale of whoa (Usually some low brow based tactic like sick children)or worse, not to reappear at all.

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