| Tango01 | 15 May 2018 9:15 p.m. PST |
"Russian infantry weapons have a reputation for reliability. The AK and PKM are renowned for enduring through adverse conditions, powered by their powerful long-stroke piston actions. However, a recent report by warhead.su suggests that when these weapons do fail in Russian service, the problem is often not in their design, but rather in the Russian ammunition they fire. This is not a new phenomenon. Russian imported ammunition to the United States has always been regarded as "budget" brands, with inconsistent quality. But apparently, the same problems apply to Russian military ammunition…."
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| Cacique Caribe | 15 May 2018 9:31 p.m. PST |
Are they outsourcing it to people with no idea of quality control, or to people for whom the occasional fatality is more than acceptable? Dan |
| jdginaz | 16 May 2018 1:14 a.m. PST |
Quality Control seems to be a Western concept. |
| zoneofcontrol | 16 May 2018 8:12 a.m. PST |
Very timely: destroying the evidence? "Russian Village Evacuated After Ammunition Depot Fire"
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Garryowen  | 16 May 2018 9:34 a.m. PST |
MACV SOG's project Eldest Son has been brought back!! Great!! Tom |
| emckinney | 16 May 2018 9:36 a.m. PST |
"Quality Control seems to be a Western concept." I thought so as well, but I stopped into a local shaver store to pick up clipper oil, and was baffled to see a huge empty slot of Russian razor blades! Turns out they sell well, and the shop was out. I commented that this seemed really, really weird, and the shop owner told me that the Russians make really high-quality razor blades, and that many blades sold under other, famous brand names are now made in Russia. (I guess if real sanctions go into place, we're all going to be really scruffy all of a sudden.) She also mentioned that 20 years ago, she got a Russian equivalent of a Swiss Army knife: it was absolute crap, and she kept it as an example of just that. Now, the Russians are turning out absolute first-quality products of that type. Apparently as well made as anything out of Switzerland or anywhere else. |
| Tango01 | 16 May 2018 10:53 a.m. PST |
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| WarpSpeed | 16 May 2018 12:42 p.m. PST |
Sounds like something US special forces used to do in Vietnam,booby trapped ammo. |
| 14th NJ Vol | 16 May 2018 3:19 p.m. PST |
WarpSpeed direct hit. First thing I thought of too. |
| Cacique Caribe | 16 May 2018 3:25 p.m. PST |
Lol. So our Special Forces made the enemy play Russian roulette in the field without their knowledge? Wow. Dan |
| Steve Wilcox | 16 May 2018 4:19 p.m. PST |
Sounds like something US special forces used to do in Vietnam,booby trapped ammo. That's what Garryowen/Tom was referring to earlier in the thread: "MACV SOG's project Eldest Son has been brought back!! Great!" |
| goragrad | 16 May 2018 9:18 p.m. PST |
A couple of thousand rounds with no significant problems for me. But then that is either older surplus or new manufacture for the civilian market. And then there is the fact that in reading about WWII, it was noted that 15 percent of the ammo was defective. |
| Lion in the Stars | 16 May 2018 9:57 p.m. PST |
I've shot up quite a bit of 1970s/1980s production Russian MilSurp. never had a failure, but did have notable differences in power. Some rounds would barely eject out of the port, others would go flying 30 feet or more. The Czech-made milsurp is something I'd love to get more of, but they haven't made Russian-caliber ammo since about 1992. That stuff was beautiful, made a 10-shot 1" group at 100yds (well, 8 shots in a single ragged hole with 2 called fliers). Nowadays, I shoot PPU, made in former Yugoslavia. Dirty powder but consistent. And good brass. The nastiest thing about Eldest Son was that they'd only replace one round in any cache with a rigged one. And they were planting info in the US troops about how 'Commie ammo had quality control issues, they might blow you up! So don't shoot any captured weapons.' |
| Walking Sailor | 17 May 2018 4:52 a.m. PST |
The AK's reputation for poor accuracy is based on shooting "greenies". As Lion says, when running western brass, the groups tighten up nicely. |
| goragrad | 17 May 2018 9:20 p.m. PST |
I shot some Rumanian 54r and some Russian (70s surplus) one day at the range through the PSL. Was rather surprised to see about an inch difference vertically in POI at 100. Haven't fired any 9x19 or any surplus 9x18, but the Russian 'Bears' seem to be consistently hot (at least with issue grips) – never had a squib at any rate. As I recall a lot of the Herters ammo is manufactured in Russia for Cabelas. Decided to quit shooting it in my niece's .243 because the bolt was sticking after half a box or so. PPU for the range practice now. |
| Choctaw | 22 May 2018 12:13 p.m. PST |
I reload my own ammunition and avoid such unpleasantness. |
| Lion in the Stars | 23 May 2018 8:11 p.m. PST |
Reloading your own requires an initial investment on the order of 'buying a new firearm'. Pays off pretty quickly, however. Still tempting, though, since PPU makes very nice brass in otherwise hard-to-find calibers. |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 May 2018 8:15 p.m. PST |
Project Elder Son … What if our ammo and munitions component suppliers overseas have the same thing in mind planned for us at some point in the future? TMP link Dan |
was going to do the rifle teams next, but he forgot something… 
