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Lance Flint09 May 2018 8:26 a.m. PST

Hi, does anyone have any info regarding these formations in '41 and '42 please? Organisation,equipment and strengths?
Lance.

Griefbringer09 May 2018 8:52 a.m. PST

Zaloga's book Red Army Handbook (also published as Companion to the Red Army) has a couple of pages about them.

Going by the memory, a brigade consisted of 2 regiments, with 5 battalions per regiment and 3 batteries per battalion. Each battery fielded 4 guns, for a total of 120 per brigade.

Griefbringer14 May 2018 7:23 a.m. PST

Having consulted the book, each regiment also featured an anti-aircraft battalion, consisting of two gun batteries (four 37 mm AA guns) and MG company (6 AAMGs).

As for the anti-tank gun battalions, each regiment had three battalions with 76 mm guns and two battalions with 85 mm guns (AA guns used in purely AT role, a bit of a stop-gap measure).

Thus overall the brigade should have 72 x 76 mm guns, 48 x 85 mm guns, 16 x 37 mm guns, 12 x AAMGs. There were also 180 tractors and 700+ trucks/cars for transport.

Additionally at the brigade level there was a mine-laying engineer battalion, though Zaloga's book does not provide details on the structure.

donlowry14 May 2018 8:29 a.m. PST

Have to doubt the 85mm guns, and maybe even the 76s in '41-'42.

deephorse14 May 2018 9:05 a.m. PST

This link might help.

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Lance Flint14 May 2018 9:40 a.m. PST

All the above really helps, thank you.
It seems that none of the planned 85mm batteries reached the brigades, certainly in 1941.
I have also read of entir Anti tank rifle battalions being used.
As usual with the Russians at this period what was planned and what was put together to fight were two very different beasts!
Lance.

thomalley14 May 2018 9:54 a.m. PST

Dunnigan's book on the war list the Brigade (1942-45) with 3 regiments, each of 24 76mm guns and 548 men. Plus recon, topo, mg and comms sections of about 20 men each.

Griefbringer15 May 2018 8:49 a.m. PST

For clarification, the TOE I listed is the one from 1941 (established pre-Barbarossa).

I have also read of entir Anti tank rifle battalions being used.

Zaloga's book also lists Tank Destroyer Brigades (put together by the infantry) which consisted of a massive number of AT rifles, supported by anti-tank guns, mortars, SMG troops and various otehr assets.

Dunnigan's book on the war list the Brigade (1942-45) with 3 regiments, each of 24 76mm guns and 548 men

Zaloga also mentions similar brigade structure, though when I browsed the book I got the impression that it only appears in 1943 – I will need to re-check.


In any case, is somebody actually thinking of fielding such a massive gun formation in a game?

Lance Flint15 May 2018 1:25 p.m. PST

Quite possibly yes!
Nearly finished co-authoring a big battle WW2 game where a 'base' of troops represents an infantry battalion/tank battalion/24 guns. All geared around Brigade level command and orders, at a corps level.
The thought came about as how to represent a Soviet Anti-Tank Brigade, as much for a rule test as anything else!
Lance.

Martin Rapier18 May 2018 6:53 a.m. PST

For an operational game it is just a bunch of AT gun battalion stands.

Same way I model Soviet Breakthrough Artillery Divisions, and AGRAs for the lucky British.

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