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JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy07 May 2018 7:29 p.m. PST

I'm building a 1942 era Soviet mixed tank battalion in 10mm. You know the ones with the crazy organization with one each companies of light, medium, and heavy tanks.

Is this too early for a US M3 Scout Car to appear in Soviet service? Any one have an idea of when these started to arrive via Lend Lease?

Daithi the Black07 May 2018 7:37 p.m. PST

I asked just this question a few years back. IIRC, 1942 was when the M3's starting hitting Russia.

Desert Fox07 May 2018 9:51 p.m. PST

According to this site

link

1942= 261
1943= 608
1944=1954
1945= 211
Total=3034

I think about 275 or so were lost at sea.

Legion 408 May 2018 6:09 a.m. PST

IIRC the USSR based their BTR-152 design after the M3 Scout Car ? After the war … ghqmodels.com/store/w71.html

Mark 108 May 2018 11:07 a.m. PST

IIRC the USSR based their BTR-152 design after the M3 Scout Car ?

I would suggest that it was the BTR-40 that was most directly influenced by the M3 Scout Car.

The M3 Scout Car was well liked by the Soviets, which is interesting, because the US Army steered away from it after being disappointed in it's cross-country performance, most notably it's tendency to get bogged down in mud in Tunisia in the winter of 1942/43.

There does not seem to be any close design relationship between the two (ie: the BTR-40 does not use the actual design features of the M3), but the general approach / vehicle class and type seems very closely linked.

The BTR-152 was more influenced by the US halftracks, but adopting the Soviet preference for all-wheel drive. It was designed (as the US Halftracks M2 and M3 had been) based on an existing truck chassis (ZiS-151), but the design team evidently directly copied several design features from an M2 halftrack that they studied (including the radiator louvres, split windscreen with drop-down covers, split doors for the driving compartment) while also picking up some features not present in the M2 that may have been their own, or borrowed from the M3 / M5 halftrack (rear door for the troop compartment).

Or so I've read.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Legion 408 May 2018 3:00 p.m. PST

Sounds reasonable …

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy10 May 2018 6:36 p.m. PST

Thanks.

Looks like my battalion CO element gets a new ride!

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