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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2018 11:56 a.m. PST

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Legion 408 May 2018 6:16 a.m. PST

Weren't there only about 50 or 100 or so Pumas made ? old fart

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2018 6:30 a.m. PST

101 were produced. Select armored divisions were to each receive a Panzerspahwagen company of 25 Pumas each. Panzerz Lehr and 2nd Panzer were the only armored divisions to receive a full complement. 1st and 12th SS along with 20th Panzer apparently received a partial company of 16 vehicles each.

Legion 408 May 2018 6:59 a.m. PST

Thanks Marc … it was not rare for the Germans to produce "odd" numbers of AFVs, etc. E.g. Dicker Max I think it was called, only 2, IIRC … Yep … only 2 … link

donlowry08 May 2018 9:00 a.m. PST

IIRC, the turret with the 50mm gun used on the Puma was originally designed for a late version of the Pz II. A few were produced before it was decided (for some reason) not to use them as originally intended, so -- waste not, want not -- they were fitted to the heavy armored cars. But production was halted.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2018 10:33 a.m. PST

Actually the turret was designed for the VK 1602 "Leopard" recce vehicle. Production of that vehicle never got started. Program was delayed through out its development for various reasons such as removing the project from M.A.N. to allow that company to concentrate on the Panther. In January of 1943 Hitler killed the project after it was determined by the time it was fielded, early 1944, it would not meet requirements for a reconnaissance vehicle. Daimler-Benz, who took over responsibility for the turret and armament for the Leopard had completed their portion of the work making the turret available for use on the new 234/2 Puma.

Legion 408 May 2018 3:03 p.m. PST

Well they pretty much used everything that they had or could get their hands on … Not really a bad idea …

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