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photocrinch05 May 2018 5:59 p.m. PST

I was touring Chickamauga today and had hoped to see this kind of cannon so I could show it to a friend. They have a ton of them on display at the Stones River Battlefield, and despite extensive searching on the web I have been unable to find out more details. Is it just a stumpy parrott with a longer collar? What gives?


Thanks in advance,


Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2018 6:07 p.m. PST

It is a Wiard steel rifle. I think it came in 6 and 10 lb models. They were not common but seem to have more been widely used in the Western Federal armies

photocrinch05 May 2018 6:15 p.m. PST

Man that was fast. Thanks!

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2018 6:17 p.m. PST


MY guess is a 12 pdr. Blakely Rifle, but i was wrong.

photocrinch05 May 2018 6:27 p.m. PST

But close, looking at the similarities I can see why you would have thought that.



Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2018 6:43 p.m. PST

Ok I have a Mystery gun for the brain trust that is TMP

What is this gun from Fort Garland CO

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2018 8:35 p.m. PST

Do you have a photo of the breech?

bsrlee05 May 2018 9:02 p.m. PST

StoneMtns – you have to scroll down, there are more pictures below, including the breach and one with a human for scale.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP06 May 2018 3:04 a.m. PST

There are a number of the Wiard rifles at the Shiloh park, too. Apparently they are pronounced like 'weird' :)

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2018 3:35 a.m. PST

Wackmole…that looks like a Krupp Mountain gun.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2018 7:17 a.m. PST


Thanks fro clearing that up. Even the ranger at the fort didn't know what it was. It is missing parts.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2018 7:30 a.m. PST

I dont believe it is a Krupp – Need to do some more research

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2018 8:30 a.m. PST

Wackmole, the closest I've come to your mystery gun
is the Broadwell mountain gun. It is the only one
I've found which has a split trail ala a Napoleonic
period gun, but the Broadwell doesn't have a screw-
breech, rather it is among the first to have a sliding
block breech which makes sense since it was built
by a group of German immigrants in the Midwest and
IIRC the Germans pioneered the sliding block breech.

The period is right for a gun of that type to have seen
service 1875-1900 since the Broadwell was developed
late 1860's.

I did find one image very close to your photo's, but
couldn't find one showing the breech of the gun.
Interestingly enough, it was from a museum in Namibia,
which of course used to be German Southwest Africa.
The gun in that museum looks very much like your front
photo but as I said can't see the breech or trail.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2018 12:31 p.m. PST

It's a Wiard rifle, as was pointed out by Shagnasty.

Here's some supporting evidence:





DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2018 7:23 p.m. PST


The thing throwing me is in most of mountain guns with a front sight it is on the same side as the crank handle on right hand side

Your mystery gun has the front sight on the left

Still looking

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2018 9:01 a.m. PST

That sight placement has me bugged as well,

Wackmole, did the museum staff have any idea what
parts are missing from the piece ?

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP10 May 2018 8:41 a.m. PST

Re the Mystery Gun. Several things strike me:

1. Narrow carriage indicates a Mountain Gun.
2. Metal carriage of that design indicates a late 19thC or early 20thC.
3. Photograph doesn't allow examination of makers marker on the end of the trunnions. These may give clues as to origin.
4. Looks about 75/76mm bore, indicating a round of 3.6 to 4.5kg round.
5. The off-set sight is similar to that used on the Krupp mountain gun, but on that gun the sights are on the other side of the gun.


xanthippus Inactive Member24 May 2018 4:01 p.m. PST

Wiard rifles had special carriages to allow more to be packed on a rail car

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