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John Tyson01 May 2018 7:55 a.m. PST

DON'T LOOK AT COMMENTS BELOW!
Without giving it away, how long did it take you to spot the error in the picture below?

Fun wasn't it?

God bless,
John T.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:01 a.m. PST

…………..is a clue.
These are Guard pre the bearskin I think?

AAAAAAAAAARGH1 I spoiled it………..you did say without giving it away. Let me delete that right now and say sorry. Great posting spoiled by me!

Hlaven delete the few words that give it away

John Tyson01 May 2018 8:02 a.m. PST

Ah, you guys gave it away. :(

Hlaven Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:05 a.m. PST

Whoops. Sorry. About 20 seconds

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:08 a.m. PST

I keep trying to be clever and find another one….but not so far. Everyone is in the right place, correct uniforms. I'd like to see the firer stand a bit further away from the vent, if I was serving the gun, though. Can't see the ready use coffret either

Aapsych2001 May 2018 8:11 a.m. PST

Consider the insertion positioning of the cannon ball and the powder charge…

John Tyson01 May 2018 8:12 a.m. PST

Please don't give the error away so others can have the fun of looking.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:16 a.m. PST

I wonder what would be the result?

I imagine it could have been done all too easily. If the charge can still be ignited, there would be a God almighty bang, but no round would emerge. So, unnoticed it sits there, red hot, until the next charge is inserted right onto it.

There is the tale that spongemen watched for depth of penetration, according to markings on the shaft and might just spot such a retention or misfire even. I would like to think so.

Genius. How did you find this?

marshalGreg01 May 2018 8:23 a.m. PST

perhaps the ammunition being placed in back wards!
Took 12 sec
Did I get it?

thanks
MG

Aghh! now going back and reading the other looks Aapsych20 got it before me.

Personal logo T Callahan Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:26 a.m. PST

I would agree with Aapsych20 and deadhead. I spotted it fairly quickly.

I wonder how often that happened in battles?

Terry

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 8:39 a.m. PST

seconds

JimSelzer Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 9:15 a.m. PST

totally missed it guess I am not IG material

wrgmr101 May 2018 9:17 a.m. PST

Also they are quintuplets. The ones with faces showing anyway.

JimDuncanUK01 May 2018 10:00 a.m. PST

10 seconds tops.

Brechtel19801 May 2018 10:18 a.m. PST

First, the cartridge is being loaded backwards.

Second, the prolonge is not being connected between the field pieces and the limbers which was standard operating procedure in the French artillery arm.

Three, the water bucket is the wrong shape.

Four, the coffret is not on the limbers where they were placed in action.

Five, the limbers are leaving.

I saw the errors almost immediately-sorry.

TMPWargamerabbit01 May 2018 10:28 a.m. PST

Been sufficient time and the number of posts clear any viewing without several scrolling motions.

Ammo loading…..backwards. Since I crewed an actual 8lb field piece for several summers It was a bit easy to spot in about 15 seconds. First I looked at the near full dress uniforms….. doubtful for an artillery crew in battle. But could be. Then I saw the loading process. The gun captain should be watching the crew load the actual round (required action for modern day crews), the rammer crewman should be watching, and the gunner carrying the round/sabot hopes he flips the sabot/round around before the rammer guy boops his head. As for the rest of the crew they cannot directly see the muzzle end of the cannon so perform their assigned duties.

Not sure on the water bucket placement. We placed ours below/out front the muzzle of our cannon to remind the rammer crewman to soak his rammer wool, to prevent sparks from previous discharge.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 10:30 a.m. PST

about 12 seconds to spot the most obvious error

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 10:48 a.m. PST

about 5 seconds

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 10:49 a.m. PST

They are secret pacifists trying not to harm the enemy

Spotted it in about 10 seconds as well

John Tyson01 May 2018 10:56 a.m. PST

I want to commend you that spotted the loading error so quickly. It took me more than a minute or two before I saw the boo-boo.

Do you suppose the artist did this on purpose and was just having a little fun?

colkitto01 May 2018 11:03 a.m. PST

Talking of water buckets – I've always wondered how easy it was to get enough water to keep the sponges wet. Did they, for example, have to, you know, make their own … ?

Marc the plastics fan01 May 2018 12:22 p.m. PST

There was me thinking that they were anatomically correct and therefore couldn't possibly be 28mm. Ah the joy of 1/72

Timmo uk01 May 2018 12:54 p.m. PST

The proportions of the gun don't look right to me.

Le Breton Inactive Member01 May 2018 3:57 p.m. PST

Since about half the crew are looking at the officer, and the officer appears to be looking at the loader, I thought the scene was *supposed* to depict the officer calling out to stop the loading error, and pointing that the round should be facing the other way.

Brechtel,
For your Nos. 2, 4 and 5 : Impressive well spotted !

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 5:13 p.m. PST

Almost immediately. The round is being inserted projectile first. The cannon will not go "boom." Fetch the worm.

Three Armies01 May 2018 8:19 p.m. PST

Apart from the obvious loading error, the officer pointing with left hand and the left handed guy with pricker. In the army you are not allowed to be left handed!

Green Tiger02 May 2018 12:59 a.m. PST

Well I can't see a picture so…

Marc the plastics fan02 May 2018 3:49 a.m. PST

link

€12.00 EUR for three guns, two complete 6 horse limber teams and riders, plus one ammunition caisson, and 19 crew. I love 1/72 😀

link

Osage2017 Inactive Member02 May 2018 4:43 a.m. PST

I wonder if wearing the parade dress in battle is historically correct.

Thank you Marc the Plastic Fun for the links !
The figures look awesome.

Brechtel19802 May 2018 6:15 a.m. PST

Sometimes French units would wear full dress in combat-not always, but sometimes.

EagleSixFive02 May 2018 6:57 a.m. PST

oops!

Trajanus02 May 2018 8:47 a.m. PST

I'd also like to know why the guy on the hand-spikes in the main gun crew has different coloured hat bands to the rest of them.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2018 9:52 a.m. PST

Is it because he's an NCO?

Ember52 Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2018 9:57 a.m. PST

Bout 10 seconds.

Marc at work03 May 2018 4:03 a.m. PST

Yep. NCO's had different lace (and chevrons on arms)

Windy Miller03 May 2018 6:15 a.m. PST

Almost immediately! It was the first thing I saw. Had a soldier nearly do this with a live 81mm HE round! He was just about to drop the bloody thing nose first down the barrel when three of us rugby tackled him!

Jeigheff Inactive Member03 May 2018 4:14 p.m. PST

A real shame, because it's a great illustration.

Marc the plastics fan03 May 2018 11:02 p.m. PST

And one of the joys of the 1/72 side of the hobby – that nostalgic recall of the box art making Airfix figures seem better than they were. Most metals lack that retail pull, although I do like the illustrations on the Perry et al plastic boxed sets

Marc

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP04 May 2018 8:19 a.m. PST

These are Guard Foot Artillery and indeed NCOs would have used red/gold mixed thread lace.

Marc the plastics fan04 May 2018 8:28 a.m. PST

Interesting. Did foot artillery not have the red/gold NCO lace then?

Interesting, as I currently have some YG lurking on the paint table, with the NCO's lace just in orange at present, waiting for me to understand what they should be

gladue04 May 2018 1:05 p.m. PST

What are the odds of them having packs, swords, and guns *on* during firing operations?

Brechtel19804 May 2018 5:16 p.m. PST

The Guard Foot Artillery only wore shakos in combat in 1809. Drouot got them visored bearskins in May 1810. Apparently, their shakos went to the Young Guard Foot Artillery.

Brechtel19805 May 2018 2:57 a.m. PST

What are the odds of them having packs, swords, and guns *on* during firing operations?

If the gun companies went from march order into position, the odds would be pretty high. As with most things, it depended on the situation.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2018 3:32 a.m. PST

The suggestion of Young Guard is good one. Imperial Guard no doubt. Odd that the corporal has a long service chevron in red not aurore then. Cuff slash in blue, not red…..

Marc, yes the mixed lace I was explaining as different, because he is an NCO, not solely because he is Guard

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