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Don Cossack29 Apr 2018 6:11 a.m. PST

A quick-and-dirty comparison between CinC and GHQ 1/285 armor. Check it out at dailydragoon.blogspot.com

Dynaman878929 Apr 2018 6:20 a.m. PST

Quick followup, Orders from GHQ usually arrive within a week. Even during their 20% off sale it has taken 2 weeks at most.

I'm a GHQ guy myself, I've ordered a couple of items from CinC but did not personally find them as good a deal. I might order more but the number of times I went to their site and it said something I wanted was out of stock had me looking elsewhere.

If I need things GHQ does not carry I usually go with H&R or Baccus. Baccus for almost anything not WW2 or Modern (though their new options for WW2 are very nice) and H&R for modern and WW2, though noticably smaller their newer sculpts are excellent and really are half of GHQ's cost even with shipping thrown in.

John Secker29 Apr 2018 11:11 a.m. PST

I always find CinC models look too "clean", with very flat surfaces and little detail. It may well be the case that they are more to scale, that the detail on the likes of GHQ or H&R is exaggerated, but for me the final effect after painting is better.

TheWhiteDog29 Apr 2018 11:41 a.m. PST

CinC was a better option back when they had more quantity discounts, at more accessible levels.

Walking Sailor29 Apr 2018 1:52 p.m. PST

Another manufacturer, if you need singles or really esoteric equipment is Scotia Grendel.

twawaddell29 Apr 2018 6:43 p.m. PST

I have to agree with Dynaman8789 on the shipping times. The longest I ever had to wait for GHQ was about 3 weeks with the shortest wait being 3 days. On CinC the average time was about 2 weeks but on a couple of occasions I've had to contact them and provide a copy of the order that they forgot about.

I've never had out of stock issues with GHQ but CinC's site has shown huge swath's of their inventory as out of stock for a couple of years now. I'm not sure why that is but it's damned inconvenient as some of those items looked very interesting.

goragrad29 Apr 2018 7:21 p.m. PST

I personally like the 'clean' look of the CinC models.

Rivets the size of stahlhelms on a 38t just don't cut it.

Same with their ships – portholes on a destroyer large enough to con a torpedo boat through are just too much.

Haven't ordered anything from either in quite some time, but never had a problem with delivery times.

P.S. When I did order, spare turrets or other parts from GHQ were nearly as expensive as complete models. When I needed some skids for Hueys, 57mm AT guns (barrel only) to build Zis-3s with, and some turrets for ebay acquisition tanks, Randy threw in the lot for less that 5 dollars.

Jeigheff29 Apr 2018 7:35 p.m. PST

Within the last year or so, I've come to really like CinC vehicles. My fledgling modern US micro armor force has mostly CinC vehicles and GHQ infantry.

I replaced the gun barrels on my CinC Abrams tanks and Leopard tanks with wire. This was a tedious process which I didn't enjoy and which didn't provide accurate gun barrels. But now the gun barrels won't get squished to death on the gaming table.

I own a handful of 1/300 H&R World War II vehicles. They're rougher than CinC and GHQ, plus the ones I own (Panthers and T34s) have been cast from molds which are have some wear on them. Still, their thicker gun barrels and the metal alloy in which they are cast make them good table-top gaming pieces.

Jeff

John de Terre Neuve30 Apr 2018 3:57 a.m. PST

Interesting post. Last fall I decided to get into playing Rommel and after a look around felt that microarmour was the best choice for this scale wargaming. I must of painted up around 120 bases of 3-5 vehicles per base so maybe 500 vehicles painted in 4 months. link

So I have had a good look at both GHQ and CinC. CinC was my preference because of the cost but certainly about half of what I painted was GHQ so I am now well acquainted with both. CinC also provided you with an extra turret per package which is useful if you break one or want to try some modelling.

Certainly I agree that CinC does not keep their stock up as well as GHQ but when emailed you do get a response pretty quickly to say when things may be in stock.

Quality wise they are very similar and although I agree that GHQ has slightly more detail but at this scale who cares. GHQ definitely though has a much wider range.

What struck me was the difference in the overall service level. I had made an error once when making a GHQ order which I immediately recognised and sent on an email to ask them to correct it. No response and the order arrived with items I had ordered in mistake 10 days later. I just think they did not give a damn. They had my money and that was it.

I had not realised that Noble Knight sold GHQ, so any further GHQ needs will be ordered through there but certainly my preference is CinC.

John

Dynaman878930 Apr 2018 7:10 a.m. PST

Noble Knight is definitely the way to go when ordering GHQ, stock levels listed right on their website (well, in stock or not but it will also tell you if you order more than they have on hand after you try adding to the cart), a dollar off per pack or so, and shipping is extremely fast to the US.

Micman Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 4:35 p.m. PST

When I started gaming, I collected GHQ because that was all the local shop had. Found another store that had both and bought a lot of CnC because of the cost. Mind you this was in the 80's.

For Micro armor I prefer GHQ these days.( it doesn't hurt that the FLGS has not marked up the last price increase)

Same for naval. CnC 5'gun barrels break/bend way to easy. Also pretty much only collecting modern as I have enough WWII….

Don Cossack01 May 2018 3:30 p.m. PST

Lots of good points here. I'm not an advocate for any particular company, but I should point out that, regarding stock levels, I don't see that GHQ displays that info at all. If CinC is ever out of stock, at least you know it going in. I don't think that can be regarded as a point against CinC -- rather the reverse, I would say!

Dynaman878902 May 2018 11:15 a.m. PST

GHQ does not show stock levels, I'm assuming that they just cast things as needed since I've never had anything backordered. When a mold is no longer usable it seems like they take that item off their website.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2018 1:14 p.m. PST

I will preface my own remarks with this -- please do not read anything I say as criticisms. I am a fan of several vendors in this scale. I buy from them, I use their models, and I am delighted that this scale has a variety of vendors and such a wide, and ever growing, variety of models.

That said, I do observe some differences. So I will describe them. These are my observations of the differences, and some of my preferences, but in no case do they rise to the level of criticisms.

AFVs: I think GHQ's AFVs have the most detailing. Some have said they don't like the detailing. I do like the detailing.

I would echo the statements that CinC are more "clean", meaning in my case the observation that CinC models do not show bolt/rivet heads, storage boxes, on-board tools, external fuel cans, and other "stuff" that is often found on tanks and other AFVs. I do not mean that CinC castings are better quality (another possible meaning to "clean"). I view GHQ and CinC as indistinguishable in casting quality. I place them both ahead of several of the other vendors on this issue.

I also echo the statements that CinC gun barrels are weaker. I observe that, for a given vehicle type, they will typically be thinner than GHQ, H&R or Scotia. It also seems they are a bit more brittle -- more likely to break that to bend gracefully back into shape when they do get knocked askew. How much of that is due to being thinner, and how much is due to differing casting material I can not say.

It is worth noting that GHQ, on their more recent models, has frequently taking to modelling MG barrels with a thin sheet of material connecting to the base. Even on some of their tank models the AAMG on top has material beneath the barrel connecting it to the turret roof. This is a deliberate modelling technique GHQ uses to help reduce the loss rates on small fragile MG barrels. I am not fond of this approach, and would rather face the fragility of the barrels, but others may prefer this approach.

Infantry: Most GHQ individual infantry figures are larger (taller) than H&R. They are not notably taller than CinC. None of the GHQ/CinC/H&R figures I have seen were disproportionately bulky -- to my eye they look realistically proportioned.

Please note in ref to GHQ size I have said "most". It appears that their WW2 US Paras, and their Vietnam figures, are larger. I do not have first hand experience on any of these, so rely on what I have observed of others' postings.

That said, I believe CinC figures are actually more accurately scaled, but to the point of fragility. I have a fair bit of CinC infantry, but find the breakage rate to be high -- I must expect some figures broken-off at the ankles every time I put them on to a game table. I find GHQ and H&R figures to be more robust.

GHQ have the best details. CinC also have good details. Older H&R figures have noticeably less detailing. I'm told their newer figures have more details, but I have no personal experience with them. At this scale, I find that the older H&R Infantry had/has enough detail to be acceptable to me -- they still look good when painted up. But I do prefer the details of the GHQ figures.

H&R seems to have a better variety of poses for their figures, as well as better combinations in their packs. H&R poses focus mostly on standing advancing infantry. Even their LMGs are many times modeled standing and advancing. GHQ have some advancing, but also kneeling shooting poses, standing shooting poses, prone shooting poses, and most LMGs are prone shooting.

One advantage of H&R is they list the infantry sprues in their webstore catalog, so it is easy to buy by the sprue. You can do this with GHQ through their custom ordering mechanism, but not through their normal webstore catalog. (However, the burden is on you to know in advance what's on each sprue.) When assembled into packs the H&R also have really good and useful combinations. GHQ packs tend to focus on 1-to-many unit organizations, making for not enough squaddies vs. too many support and command figures. CinC infantry has a much smaller variety of poses, and I find it difficult to put together useful combinations for my gaming usage with CinC.

I have gotten some reasonable and useful figures from Scotia over the years, but Scotia infantry are notably less consistent in how they are modeled. I have had some that were well scaled with better detail than H&R, some that were notably larger than GHQ, some that were oddly proportioned (bulky), and some that were not modeled well enough for my standards. So while they may in fact have infantry I could buy and use, I find it less predictable and so do not go to Scotia as a regular source for infantry.

Currently I focus mostly GHQ and some H&R figures.

As to pricing, I agree with what others have said. GHQ is the most expensive. CinC is less, but still in the same price range (although the difference is growing in time). H&R and Scotia seem to be a a lower tier in pricing. You really can save by going to those vendors, if you are getting stuff that you like from them, more power to you.

The cost difference usually doesn't deter me. My cost per year for this hobby is so low that I can spend the extra $$ if I get something that I like more, and so enjoy my hobby time more. Let's face it, 6mm stuff is SO much less expensive than other scales, that if you like one vendor's model more than another vendor's, even at twice the price it is still a good deal.

I prefer GHQ. But that said, I frequently go to H&R or Scotia for models I can't find from GHQ, or for things that don't fill some sort of pride-of-place in my armies, but just bulk things up. Like trucks. OK, I should have lots of trucks. Does it matter if I have the best looking trucks? Might be a place to save a buck.

Your mileage may vary.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

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