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16 Nov 2018 9:38 p.m. PST
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Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2018 9:49 p.m. PST

I'm reading rather a good book on the latter part of WW1.
The 8th of August 1918 was described by Ludendorff as " the black day of the German Army in the history of the war.". Indeed, the victory at the battle of Amiens by British, Australian and Canadian forces & the promise of huge numbers of Americans entering the fray brought about the Armistice & German capitulation.

All armies, no matter how good, can have their "Black Day".
The French have had their share. Indeed, you can make a case for many French wars wars beginning with strings of victories before ending in defeat.
So, to be a "Black Day" doesn't mean eventual defeat but a significant military disaster.

I'd like to nominate the battle of the Sedan in the Franco-Prussian War.


The Battle of Sedan, fought from 1 to 2 September 1870. It resulted in the capture of Emperor Napoleon III and large numbers of his troops and for all intents and purposes decided the war in favour of Prussia and its allies (though fighting continued, of course, under a new French government).


Would you like to nominate any other historical defeats worthy of the title, "Black Day" for the French army?

Cerdic29 Apr 2018 1:25 a.m. PST

S'pose Waterloo is too obvious? Or Agincourt…..

Glengarry529 Apr 2018 1:37 a.m. PST

I agree with Sedan.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2018 2:30 a.m. PST

"Too obvious"? I'd think that was a plus point.

Personal logo Whirlwind Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2018 3:52 a.m. PST

Sedan 1940

Perris070729 Apr 2018 6:05 a.m. PST

Hard to beat Sedan 1870 although Bazaine did manage to seize defeat from the jaws of victory at Gravelotte-St. Privat a few days earlier. That would be a pretty Black day too.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse29 Apr 2018 7:39 a.m. PST

A number of Armies thru out history suffered a "black day" or two. Or three, etc. The trick is to not let it happen very often if ever. But easier said than done in many cases …

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse30 Apr 2018 5:39 a.m. PST

No one mentioned Dien Bien Phu …

peterx Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 7:17 p.m. PST

Diem Bien Phu is a black day, but the German invasion starting May 10, 1940 crushed the French army. That was a black day in history.

JimSelzer30 Apr 2018 10:32 p.m. PST

+1 to Peterx

the French army literally melted to the German Blitzkrieg when it should have made a better fight of it.

Waterloo was a loss but I would say the 1812 invasion of Russia was "blacker"

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse01 May 2018 7:07 a.m. PST

We "chatted" about France '40 here … TMP link Pretty good discussion, too …

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