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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Apr 2018 3:38 p.m. PST

… May Start Sea Trials This Week

"According to the South China Morning Post on April 23, China's first domestically built aircraft carrier is expected to start sea trials soon amid what analysts say is a growing pressure to push forward its development. The Type 001A first generation aircraft carrier's maiden sea trial could take place this week, possibly coinciding with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's 69th anniversary on Monday depending on weather and ocean conditions…."
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Comparing China's 1st Home-Made Carrier Versus The USS Ford



Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP25 Apr 2018 1:14 a.m. PST


I assume there are more of them in the assembly line?


Lion in the Stars25 Apr 2018 2:42 a.m. PST

Yes, this one is intended to give their shipbuilders experience in warships that big (warships are far more complex and compartmentalized than merchant ships), as well as give their carrier pilots some experience landing on a carrier.

Their next carrier is supposed to have catapults instead of the ski ramp.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP25 Apr 2018 7:42 p.m. PST

Lol. So is this first one going to spring a thousand leaks?


28mm Fanatik25 Apr 2018 9:13 p.m. PST

The first Chinese carrier is a refurbished Cold War era Soviet "ski jump" carrier similar to the smoke-belching Kuznetsov the Russians miraculously sailed to Syria last year.

Future carriers will be more "western" in design and function: link

Zyphyr25 Apr 2018 10:22 p.m. PST

China is well aware that they lack the institutional knowledge to properly handle carrier construction and operation. The first few are simply platforms to allow them to correct that deficiency.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Apr 2018 10:50 a.m. PST



14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP26 Apr 2018 3:49 p.m. PST

The question going forward is can China afford to keep building the next generation carrier with each new design? They do not have unlimited money. They will quickly reach a limit on design & technology they can build. I wonder if they can afford a ship the size of the new British carriers?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP26 Apr 2018 4:22 p.m. PST

14th NJ Vol: "They do not have unlimited money. "

They have unlimited labor. In other words, the production cost formulas we are accustomed to in the West don't apply to that society.


Begemot26 Apr 2018 9:02 p.m. PST

Do these "unlimited" Chinese laborers have the necessary skills to build a modern worship? I think, in reality, the labor pool for this type of project, even in China, is limited, just as it is in the west. Labor is not a fungible commodity.

Lion in the Stars26 Apr 2018 9:31 p.m. PST

Well, China does have reasonably skilled shipbuilders, if we're talking merchant ships.

Warships are simply far more compartmentalized, and have a lot more crew onboard to handle the additional systems.

I mean, most modern container ships (or even oil tankers) have a crew of about a dozen. One running the engines, one in the bridge, and two lookouts, times three shifts a day.

But most warships have a crew at least 4x that size.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP27 Apr 2018 1:24 a.m. PST

Don't worry. The proof will come in the next few years, as Xi pushes veryome and everything to prove that he is the One who will make "the Chinese Dream" a reality, which includes his plans for military supremacy.


14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP27 Apr 2018 12:28 p.m. PST

The labor issue aside, shear capital expenditures on ships like this will eventually cause the Chinese to pause. The banking system is under strain and massive expenditures on expensive military items will catch up with them. They are not the world threat they are portrayed to be. Now regionally, they are and will continue to be, with or without aircraft carriers.

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