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Cacique Caribe16 Apr 2018 5:54 p.m. PST

Is that what they are supposed to be? I can't read German.

Mid 1950s, right?

Thanks

Dan
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mjkerner Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 6:04 p.m. PST

Basically, it says "Under the banners of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, forwards into battle for friends, unity, Democracy and Socialism." My German stinks, but i think I'm not too far off, lol.

Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 8:20 p.m. PST

If I have it right this was 1953 Mayday Parade in Berlin and this was part of the police that was later to become the East German army. They not yet being permitted an army this close to the war

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Big Martin Back16 Apr 2018 10:53 p.m. PST

It's "peace" not "friends". Frieden not Freunden. Otherwise a good translation.

Achtung Minen17 Apr 2018 1:39 p.m. PST

What other army battles for peace in a war that is not happening? Gotta love DDR doublespeak.

Cacique Caribe17 Apr 2018 5:42 p.m. PST

Beautiful example of doublespeak indeed!

Well, anyone who wasn't "with them" was already seen as a fascist. The "war" had to go on. And in a blattle of words, they could spin anything into a victory.

Dan
PS.. so what was the "FDJ"?

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Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 10:07 p.m. PST

Freie Deutsche Jugend (Free German Youth)was the East German equivalent of the Army Cadets in the UK with a bit of Territorial Army added on.

14 years old and up.

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Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2018 1:26 a.m. PST

Just add a picture of the British equivalent of the FDJ

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Cacique Caribe18 Apr 2018 4:12 a.m. PST

Wow. Very interesting.

Dan

Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2018 5:37 a.m. PST

Do you have an equivalent in the USA?

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79thPA Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2018 6:03 a.m. PST

Some high schools have junior ROTC programs. There are also Sea Cadets. I don't know if either does any weapons training.

Cacique Caribe18 Apr 2018 1:23 p.m. PST

I don't know of any.

Perhaps the UK was better than us at preparing their youth for what might have come from the East?

Dan

Cacique Caribe18 Apr 2018 1:30 p.m. PST

Are these FDJ? :)

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Dan

Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP18 Apr 2018 7:28 p.m. PST

Very probably. It would have been difficult for a bright teenager to avoid being a member and the uniform is right.

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Legion 419 Apr 2018 4:38 a.m. PST

Yeah I don't know if Jr. ROTC does weapons training. However, I know that ARMY ROTC does. It's training is prepping one to be an officer in the US ARMY, ARMY Res, or NG …

In '75-77, we were issued the M14, and had M60 MGs, etc. In '77-'78 we were issued the M16. Trained on a most of the SA in the US ARMY inventory, even the LAW[dummy training with expended round]. And IIRC the M203 GL ? Save for the M2 .50 cal. But IIRC we got that training at ROTC "Summer Camp" which was @ 6 weeks long.

Then [of course !] I volunteered to be and was branched Infantry. And when at Inf Ofc Basic at Ft. Benning, GA. We trained and/or qual'd on everything up to the TOW & 81mm Mortar. We were Infantry after all … evil grin

PMC31719 Apr 2018 4:42 a.m. PST

I joined the Army Cadets aged 14 and started weapons training basically straight away; before I was 15 I could strip, clean, and shoot with the L98A1 Cadet GP Rifle, which was a single-shot bolt-action version of the SA80A1.

The older cadets got training on the LSW, too.

I've also fired the SA80A1 as a cadet too.

Cadets also do small unit tactics, from march orders to section and platoon attacks and things like that.

Legion 420 Apr 2018 7:05 a.m. PST

Yes, as cadets we too trained in small unit tactics, etc. as you listed. As again, many of us would be going into the US ARMY in some form.

Achtung Minen21 Apr 2018 6:27 p.m. PST

My father trained on the M1 in the JROTC in North Dakota, so at least some got weapons training.

Legion 422 Apr 2018 6:11 a.m. PST

We still used '03s for D&C. Had them in the Arms Room …

Pyrate Captain23 Apr 2018 4:54 p.m. PST

If it is still like my JROTC days (we had M-1's and M-14's by the time I was a junior (1972)), we took them apart and put them back together again, polished the metal with gun oil and the stocks with linseed oil, except for one M-14 that had a glass stock, but we never fired a shot.

Now-a-days with the movement to remove butter knives from American-youth access, I doubt that American cadets are trained in anything but polite language in a stern tone of voice.

Achtung Minen23 Apr 2018 5:16 p.m. PST

Correction, my father was in the ROTC during college and he says it was compulsory (1963). He only handled the M1, no other weapon.

Legion 424 Apr 2018 5:45 a.m. PST

Now-a-days with the movement to remove butter knives from American-youth access, I doubt that American cadets are trained in anything but polite language in a stern tone of voice.
LOL ! Well they may be taught the UN standard. Went there is trouble in the world just send a harshly worded email or letter to the preps … evil grin

Cacique Caribe24 Apr 2018 3:25 p.m. PST

And a frown. Don't forget the frown.

Or is that considered too micro-aggressive?

Dan

Legion 426 Apr 2018 6:55 a.m. PST

Indeed … have to be careful not to upset the "bad" guys …

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