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Banana Man Inactive Member14 Apr 2018 12:04 p.m. PST

Just contemplating trying out Horse, Foot and Guns Version 1.1 from Phil Barker for the SYW. However, I've heard that they are complicated. Opinions?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 1:23 p.m. PST

I own it and read it, but it did strike me as too complicated. I might be interested in the prototype--"Boots and Brandy"--if I could find it. Barker rules seem to get more complicated from one edition to the next, and this has some years of development behind it.

Mind you, I happily play Barker's early card-draw Napoleonic set, and used to do DBA.

Banana Man Inactive Member14 Apr 2018 1:41 p.m. PST

OK thanks. I do have the free version somewhere – must try and find it!

lkmjbc314 Apr 2018 2:48 p.m. PST

I quite like it for Seven Years War,ACW, and the Austro-Prussian war. Not my cup of tea for either Napoleonics or FPW…. The FPW could be fixed I think…
I hope Phil finds the energy to finish it.

Joe Collins

Attalus I14 Apr 2018 2:57 p.m. PST

HFG lacks a good QRS. It also has information covering 214 years of warfare. I made my own QRS and only included info for the period I use it for (Napoleonics) and it plays fine.

evilgong14 Apr 2018 4:02 p.m. PST

Attalus has the right idea, much of the apparent detail in HFG is the troop types not needed for your particular era.

In complexity it's more than DBA but less than DBmm.

It could do with a tidy up – there are some mechanisms that work in a different way to the current DBx suite of rules, and could be brought into line for consistency.

Sadly the three sub-sets to HFG, at a more 'tactical' level have not seen the light of day as play-test versions.


DAvid F Brown

Jeigheff Inactive Member15 Apr 2018 6:10 a.m. PST

Hi Robert,

What is the title of Phil Barker's card-draw Napoleonic set? I've never heard of it until now.


robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP15 Apr 2018 7:34 a.m. PST

Jeff, if you read through old Wargamer's Newsletters, you find something called "Napoleonic Rules, Birmingham Style" by one "Philip" Barker. I e-mailed Phil once, and he told me he didn't remember them, but he did remember going through a card-draw period, and they looked like his work. He was going to post them on his web site at one time.

But we're getting off-topic. e-mail me at if you need more.

Jeigheff Inactive Member15 Apr 2018 12:29 p.m. PST

Thanks Robert! I sent you a message a minute ago.

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