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Cacique Caribe13 Apr 2018 10:00 p.m. PST

The title is … Intent to Destroy: Death, Denial and Depiction (2017). Check your local listings. I believe it plays another half dozen times after that.

Trailer here: YouTube link


Turkey was an ally of Germany during World War One, and they must have really inspired the early Nazis, and made them believe that they could also get away with a Holocaust, the way Turkey has for over a century.

By the way, Armenian Remembrance Day is on April 24.

PS. Hmm … I wonder why the movie didn't get released in 2015, on the 100th anniversary. Fear of being labeled Islamophobia perhaps? We used to acknowledge it once, and were able to talk about it freely and produce films about it too.









Legion 414 Apr 2018 4:58 a.m. PST

Yes, the Turks should have been charged with Crimes against Humanity, genocide, ethic cleansing. Based on nothing more that religion and ethnicity. But as we see it that region that sort of thing still happens today.

But as Hitler mentioned before he and his associates started there genocide/ethnic cleansing a few decades later. That the world didn't do anything when the Turks "exterminated" the Armenians, turned a blind eye, didn't care … He believed the world would do the same when Nazi Germany did the same to a number of groups. E.g. Jews, gypsies, etc., etc.

The Turks exterminated @ 3 million Armenians

Nazi Germany @ 6 millions Jews and @ 6million others of various types

And again in places like the nations of former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, etc., it continued and still does. Ask a Yazidi if you can find one. And again based on religion and ethnicity primarily … very Sad …

Turkey's place in the Western world has "allowed" them a "pass" so to speak based on their location between East & West. And having the 2d largest military in NATO.
Again Realpolitik/Geopolitical skullduggery, etc., …

Cacique Caribe14 Apr 2018 5:07 a.m. PST

Legion 4: "But as Hitler mentioned …That the world didn't do anything when the Turks "exterminated" the Armenians, turned a blind eye, didn't care … He believed the world would do the same when Nazi Germany did the same to a number of groups. E.g. Jews, gypsies, etc., etc."

That's exactly what I read too though, to be totally honest, I never read it from any primary source.

And if one were to pick the absolute lowest figure for that systematic genocide, 1.5 million Armenians between 1915 and 1930, the fact that no one ever really did anything to make Turkey pay for it continues to set a precedent for future extermination attempts by other individuals who think they might also go unnoticed. Specially if they piggyback on our own unfounded fears of being "labeled".

The Turkish "Final Solution" for Armenians started on April 24, 1915. These weren't just civilians who were too close to bombs that were being dropped or people who were being used as human shields by an enemy force. These people were victims of a carefully planned systematic eradication campaign of an ethnic/religious within their own borders. Round ups, transport trains to mass kill sites, diverting food, etc.

Yet some people today think the Nazis were the first ones to do that in modern times. Something has definitely gone wrong if that's the message that is being repeated by the world today, because that's really Turkey's propaganda message. If denying the Holocaust of WW2 is treated harshly, so should denial of the one that was perpetrated during WW1.

There might have been other reasons for holding off punishment (like World War Two and the Cold War), but they still refuse any responsibility and continue to deny it ever happened. And they also continue to force other nations (Bulgaria most recently) to make similar insane statements.


Super Mosca Inactive Member14 Apr 2018 5:51 a.m. PST

It's also worth remembering the genocide of the Pontian Greeks that was perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire at the same time as the Armenian Genocide.


Also note ongoing debate relating to German involvement in the Armenian Genocide.


And don't forget the genocide perpetrated in Namibia by the Imperial German Army, from 1904-07.



Cacique Caribe14 Apr 2018 5:56 a.m. PST

Good points, Kosta! Thanks for sharing that.

There's also Japan in China and other occupied areas during WW2.

However bad some atrocities are, there's something specially evil about a modern nation organizing their military and civilian authorities for a step by step extermination process of a local human population. SPECIALLY of people who in many cases used to be their own neighbors, doctors, teachers, students, etc. Suddenly it becomes almost as routine as processing mere heads of cattle at a slaughterhouse.


So it looks as if the Nazi trials for genocide have become an extremely rare exception rather than the rule when it comes to systematic extermination campaigns in modern times.


Legion 414 Apr 2018 6:30 a.m. PST

Yes, as we see thru out history … genocide/ethnic cleansing is sadly nothing new … Even again as we see today …

And you appear to be correct about that Hitler quote Dan. link
IIRC, I saw it on the History Channel years ago. But as we know the History Channel has lost a lot of it's veracity/accuracy … unfortunately …

Cacique Caribe14 Apr 2018 7:25 a.m. PST

Legion 4

Thanks for that link!


Legion 414 Apr 2018 7:45 a.m. PST

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Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 10:25 a.m. PST

Dan, Legion, Kosta, et al,

Thanks for posting this vital information. Even though it is no longer PC to hold certain groups responsible for their actions and beliefs, justice will eventually be served in the end.

What is amazing is that given the state of the media as it currently exists, at one time they actually reported the news and didn't try to shape it to fit their views. Well, not so blatantly anyway.


Legion 415 Apr 2018 6:58 a.m. PST

The Turks becoming less "secular", less Western and a little more "fundamentalist" so to speak. Plus wanting to reclaim some of their past empire/glories it appears. They may suffer some more losses. E.g. ISIS, etc., did destroy a number of the vehicles in Syria, including the new Leo A4s. They seemed to forget the NATO standard of combined arms, etc.

They have advanced into Syria setting up a "protected zone" for refugees, etc. That is what they are saying at least. Sounds like a good "buffer" zone. They have no love for Assad, the Kurds in the area, etc. I doubt they will withdraw to their own border again anytime soon. With among other things Syria, and all the players there still is conflict as well as disarray, etc.

But again their location and being the 2d largest military in NATO, gives them a lot of "rope" … as the saying goes.

doug redshirt Inactive Member17 Apr 2018 9:46 a.m. PST

Wonder what the USA would do to it's population of people of Mexican descent if Mexico invaded and they joined the invaders as volunteers to fight the US?

Legion 418 Apr 2018 6:56 a.m. PST

Well IMO, the Mexican military is not much of a threat to the US military. Now if they got a bunch of "volunteers"/traitors to join the battle against the USA … Hmmm …?

Generally, IMO, the US military would win, but it would be very bloody for the Mexicans and any volunteers. But I could be wrong ?

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