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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 11:25 a.m. PST

…. And Included 22,000 Bunkers And Pillboxes.

"During the build-up to WWII, the German government commissioned a line of defenses all along its border with France. The enormous undertaking seemed a waste to some people but would eventually have a huge impact on the war.

It was the West Wall, also known as the Siegfried Line…"
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Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 7:31 a.m. PST

But it was good for drying laundry, so I gather….

Legion 414 Apr 2018 7:33 a.m. PST

I've seen pics of some of the "dragon's teeth", etc. are still there in some areas. But you see that in a number of locations all thru Europe, etc.

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 8:34 a.m. PST

The famous Dragon teeth were a tough obstacle until they put a dozer blade on a Sherman tank, piled up dirt and drove over them. Millions of Reich marks spent defeated by a bolt on dozer blade. Got to love enginuity.

spontoon14 Apr 2018 10:11 a.m. PST

Some of the reading I've done indicated that by the time it was attacked it was a shadow of it's former self as the bunkers were made for 1930's A/T weapons, not guns that would tackle WWII tanks.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 10:13 a.m. PST

More enginuity was the Maginot Fortification Line… (smile)


Tgunner14 Apr 2018 11:38 a.m. PST

Actually it gave the allies quite the headache in 1944. It gave strength to a really weak German army, which combined with logistical problems, allowed them to stop the allied offensive for something like six months. Like one GI put it, if you can put some sorry idiot with one finger behind a foot of concrete and sight the MG for him then he will cause a lot of problems!

Besides, bunker emplaced ATGs is a pretty crummy idea anyway. The Germans were better served using towed and SP guns and they used the few that they had to telling effect like during the 3rd AD's push south of Aachen.

Legion 414 Apr 2018 2:22 p.m. PST

That is kind of how I understood it too Tgunner.

Lion in the Stars14 Apr 2018 2:49 p.m. PST

Kinda like the big Flak Towers. Too massive to safely demolish.

The infamous 'doom turtle' (T28 superheavy tank or T95 SPG) was actually built to punch the West Wall, but we'd bypassed it by the time the beast was built.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Apr 2018 2:48 p.m. PST

The Siegfried Line certainly bolstered the German's defenses in 1944, but probably it's biggest impact was in 1939. It had been so hyped up by Hitler and the Nazis, that the French and British made no attempt to attack Germany while their army was busy invading Poland.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 6:01 a.m. PST

Actually not strictly true Scott. The French did launch their ill fated Saar offensive (7-16 September). German troops fell back to the Siegfried line where French troops discovered the artillery which has accompanied the offensive was unable to penetrate the bunkers and heavier artillery was far behind.

The quick victory against Poland allowed the Germans to rush forces back to the Western Front which gave the French needed cover to withdraw. A German offensive from 16-17 October regained the lost territory.

The French never really had their heart in the offensive and still felt the defensive to be the way to win.

ScottWashburn Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 10:37 a.m. PST

True, Marc, but if there had been no defenses at all, the French and British might have been a tad more aggressive. Maybe not, but who knows?

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