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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Apr 2018 12:13 p.m. PST

A 3,000-year old bronze vessel that was looted by a British soldier from an imperial palace in Beijing fetched $581,600 USD at auction this week despite objections from the Chinese government…

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 12:24 p.m. PST

Whatever happened to right of conquest? :)

Dan

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 12:40 p.m. PST

If the Chinese had stolen Stonehenge, do you think they would give it back? I think not.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 12:45 p.m. PST

Lol. The activists wouldn't even try it with China.

In fact they would turn it around and say that we are too attached to our own heritage, that it was unhealthy and a sign of a Euro-supremacy mindset. :)

Dan

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 1:24 p.m. PST

But would it have survived the Culture revolution.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2018 2:34 p.m. PST

Nope. It would have been long lost, at the hands of the same government that demands the return of these artifacts now.

Dan

clibinarium14 Apr 2018 4:21 a.m. PST

If the Chinese had stolen Stonehenge, do you think the English would want it back? I think so.
It would be an impressive act of theft too, getting it all the way to China.

But its a thorny issue, rights of conquest haven't really flown since since WW2, thought obviously this was well before that. Perhaps you could say that limitation applies since it was so long ago. But its easy to say that when you haven't been subject to serious plundering since the time of the Vikings.
Lots was lost during the cultural revolution, but you wouldn't be impressed by a burglar who says "Its a good job I stole your stuff so it was safe during that fit of iconoclasm you went through. I should probably hang on to it too".

bsrlee14 Apr 2018 5:53 a.m. PST

Well, there is nothing stopping them from bidding at the auction. Unless the Chinese start a shooting war with Britain, I doubt the relevant Minister would get away with refusing them an export permit either.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2018 8:35 a.m. PST

Lol. Wasn't this the entire premise of Rush Hour (1998), the return of artwork that Communist China would have destroyed during its Cultural Revolution?

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Good thing that the Kuomintang saved much of it and is now safe in museums and private collections in Taiwan (ROC), instead of a big pile of dust or ash.

Dan

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