"True value of Bretonnians?" Topic

I've had a Bretonnian army that became un-used due to many rule changes by GW, it's very well painted but is now almost worthless in monetary terms – or is it? What are the opinions about this? Would historical gamers, such as SAGA Crusades, make use of these? Would I play SAGA? … seconds out, round one "ding ding"

Well, as far as worthless, probably not, just need to find the right person. Have you tried selling on Bartertwon?

Wrt SAGA, or Dux Britanniarum/Dux Belorrum,there's no reason you can't use them…..Lion or Dragon Rampant as well. Historical SAGA players would most likely look down their nose at them tho, I would imagine.

Quite a few years ago now there were a number of rules in WD for Bretonnians on a small scale on a Grail Quest/Dragon quest/Jousting etc. (WD 215 had the main rules I think).

I have those rules if you want a copy.

Dave

Plenty of oldhammer players out there still who might take them of your hands not everyone went on to play AoS. Failing that there are out fantasy rules out there that you could probably use them for Hordes of the Things or Kings of War spring to mind.

Never forget that you may only be one Kickstarter or edition change away from them being valuable again. I've held on to most of my painted armies & continue to work on them.

I have kept mine to play Kings of War, and because I am very fond of them. However I find them a bit too cartoony for historical gaming.

I still play WHFB & am in the process of painting up my own army using 5e knights & a mix of Black Tree infantry & GW 5e figures. Did not care for the 6e reboot at all. So there are those out there that still enjoy the old figures. Although personally I'm not interested in a painted army (I like to do my own work)

Damon.

OK, so some interesting and useful comments. I've given up with GW and don't have enough friends who play the older versions. The Osprey Lion/Dragon Rampants are good options, I think I could get away with a Crusades Army in SAGA. But with the above I still have a large surplus of Knights so here is hoping they can re-coup their value and be used to fund another project; "never be without another project".

back in the beginning my friend had a Bretonnian army of Essex figures(gw had yet to make any) His royal punkness Bryan Ansel said with his cockney accent " Those aren't Citadeel miniatures" to which was replied you don't make them yet

almost any Franco or English army could use them as proxies

It's far from worthless!

Plenty of people still play Oldhammer. Plus with games like Kings of War, Age.of Sigmar, 9th Age,etc. (Bretonnia is now called The Kingdom of Equitaine in 9th Age).

The models themselves can be used in any of a dozen different fantasy armies for games currently being played.

Plus there's still gamers out there who would gladly buy up a fully painted Bretonnian army, for the sole reason they don't have to paint it themselves.

Also, the value might be affected depending on which version of the Bretonnian models are in question.

Are these the original 80's figures, or the ones released in 1991, 1996 or 2004? The older versions may have some particular attraction to collectors.

I'd personally buy a fully painted Bretonnian army even if it was the newer models from the 2000s. Those are some amazing plastic models!

If you want to get them back on the table we have just released the Olde World Expansion for A Game of Knights and Knaves.

It takes a bit of rebasing but is worth it to get modernized DBX mechanics.

My old Bretonians (now Franconians) have taken the field for many epic play test games. Hope to get many old Warhammer armies/players back in the game.

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame & Glory Games

@Garand, I'd love to see a battle report if you get around to doing one. I still play 5e myself!

You can still use Bretonnians in AoS;

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Or are you not using them because you don't like the compendium stats?

Bretonians are allowed in major tournaments, I don't know why you couldn't play them anywhere else as well…

A lot of out of print GW stuff, like Epic and Warmaster, sells for a lot more these days, not less.

Probably already been asked, but I couldn't find a thread! I've got a number of Bretonnian knights lying around and would quite like to put them into a new project for WHFB/9th Age/Low.

Does anyone know any good manufacturers that produce Bretonnia-esque models at the same chunky GW scale or close enough?

I haven't seen any cavalry that can match up with the oversized GW horses, but I have used plenty of models from Wargames Foundry and Black Tree Design to fill in my men at arms.

As an update we are currently working on a version of Knights & Knaves which will use the "big trays" style of basing used by such games as Kings of War, Song of Ice & Fire and Runewars. It should work for old GW figures as you can just put several on a base. Adds attrition to the classic DBX mechanics – hope to have a commercial version out before Christmas.

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame & Glory Games

A couple of companies made knock off Bretonians back in the day and may still be around. Fireforge has done some fantasy conversions of their line which look a bit like "early" Bretonians. The last sets were not done by the Perry Brothers and look like Monty Pyton costuming rejects. But the prior stuff is supberb.

The purpose of AOS was to make the figures so strange that you could not use historical substitutes made by more competitively priced rivals. The strategy seems to have worked as once again we Charlie Brown gamers try to kick that football held by GW Lucy.

TomT

One decent alternative for Bretonnian models would be the "Agincourt to Orleans" range from Perry Miniatures (the guys who sculpted the original Bretonnians in the 80's and 90's).

If you like plastics, this set has two plastic infantry sets and a cavalry set under works. Or if you prefer metal, there is also a lot of metal packs in the range.

The Perry figures are fantastic and come in multiple parts which allow endless variety. They did the Brets during their glory years.

Horses a bit smaller but figures about the same. You can buy spruces of the new (and excellent) medieval horses to replace GW clod hoppers.

TomT

Norba Minis in Spain has a list of very Bretonninan-esque models. I haven't been able to find affordable Grail knights, so I am going to buy their models.