| Tango01 | 21 Mar 2018 3:56 p.m. PST |
"Russia and Communist China have worked together a lot since the fall of the Soviet Union. Back in the 1990s, Russians sold the Chinese a lot of military technology, including the Su-27/30/33 Flanker family of multi-role fighters and Sovremennyy-class guided missile destroyers. This wasn't the first instance of Eurasian collaboration — the Soviet Union and Communist China were close in the 1950s, when Russia shared a number of jet, tank, missile, and ship designs. The two countries had a falling out in the 1960s, which culminated in the 1969 Sino-Soviet border conflict. As a result, Communist China turned to the West for some military technology, including designs for the 105mm main gun used on the M60 Patton and on early versions of the M1 Abrams. However, the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre quickly severed any Western connections, leading, eventually, to this latest round of acquisitions from Russia…."
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| Pictors Studio | 21 Mar 2018 4:39 p.m. PST |
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| cosmicbank | 21 Mar 2018 5:31 p.m. PST |
I think the Japanese might get a laugh also |
 Saber6   | 21 Mar 2018 7:23 p.m. PST |
Based on Tank-Biathlon, neither |
| zoneofcontrol | 21 Mar 2018 9:04 p.m. PST |
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| Cacique Caribe | 21 Mar 2018 9:05 p.m. PST |
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| Choctaw | 22 Mar 2018 6:31 a.m. PST |
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| Kevin C | 22 Mar 2018 7:16 a.m. PST |
Russia. While it is difficult to determine how much of a qualitative advantage the Russian would have in such a struggle (though I do believe the Russians would have an advantage in this area), it is the one type of conflict in which the Russians would certainly have a heavy numerical advantage over the Chinese. |
| Garand | 22 Mar 2018 9:46 a.m. PST |
I looked at Wikipedia, & made some estimates. The Chinese definitely have a numerical advantage when you count in the hordes of Type 59s & -79s, but even if you just count the more advanced Type 96 & -99 tanks, they have approx 3120+ hulls to work with. The Russians, OTOH have only 2800 hulls in active service (though with A LOT in reserve so not immediately available), so even if you discount the older Chinese tanks, they still have a numerical advantage here. Damon. |
| Tango01 | 22 Mar 2018 10:55 a.m. PST |
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| TMPWargamerabbit | 22 Mar 2018 11:40 a.m. PST |
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| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 22 Mar 2018 11:43 a.m. PST |
However, the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre quickly severed any Western connections Only military, not economic. As early as 1994 the US restored trade with China and its MFN (most favored nation) status allowing their cheap goods to flood our markets. In 1999 the US fully backed China's entry into the WTO, which further facilitated its meteoric rise as a global economic powerhouse. Even with the recent protectionist moves (in steel) by the current administration, we shouldn't kid ourselves that we're "severing connections" with China in any way that matters. The "liberal democratic world order" led by the US and EU would be the clear political winner if war breaks out between them, but I'm sure China and Russia know that. After all, these countries are presenting and championing their own competing autocratic models as alternatives to our western liberal democratic systems. |
| Kevin C | 22 Mar 2018 4:47 p.m. PST |
According to this source Russia has over a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers of tanks. I am not sure of the accuracy of the site, but it is probably as accurate as Wikipedia. Link: link |
| Whatisitgood4atwork | 25 Mar 2018 2:54 p.m. PST |
Who would have air superiority? That can affect the outcome of tank battles. |
| Lion in the Stars | 25 Mar 2018 11:15 p.m. PST |
Pretty sure the Chinese don't have anything equivalent to an Su25, so that would tip the battle in Russia's favor, IMO. Frogfoot is no Warthog, but it is the next best thing. |
