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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Mar 2018 8:28 p.m. PST

Which historical enemy of the Hittites presents the best games, time and time again?

jdginaz13 Mar 2018 8:59 p.m. PST

I think that would depend to a large degree on what rules you are using.

advocate14 Mar 2018 1:54 a.m. PST

That would be Egyptians. Syrians probably come a close second.

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 2:48 a.m. PST

The NKE were the only enemy where the result was a draw,ergo a close game, the only other enemy I know for sure they fought were the Sea Peoples.

rvandusen Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 3:14 a.m. PST

The Hittites waged constant war with the Gasgan people that lived just north of the kingdom, but sad to say, almost nothing is known about them.
I think Khurasan is the only company that makes a range. link

It is probably true that NKE are the best opponent in gaming terms since both sides are so well-matched.

Someday fighting out the end of the Hittite Empire with Suppiluliuma II trying to hold out against Gasgans, Sea People, and Achaeans(maybe another group of Sea People). In the end Suppiluliuma II lost but he did do well under the circumstances, even managing to recapture Cyprus at one point.

Dexter Ward14 Mar 2018 3:48 a.m. PST

New Kingdom Egypt vs Hittites is a classic matchup (like Romans v Carthage).

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 7:08 a.m. PST

NKE, I would presume.

Marcus Brutus14 Mar 2018 7:36 a.m. PST

While the Hittites and the Egyptians fought one of the great battles of the ancient world at Kadesh they were more allies than enemies. I think more persistent enemies would be found in Syria. Various city states and such. Probably the two most significant and persistent enemies were the Mitanni and Assyrians. The Mitanni had a direct interest in Syria when the Hittites came out of Anatolia in the Syrian plains. Later Mitanni and the Hittites became allies in the face of a resurgent Assyria. The Hittites provided direct and indirect support to prop up the Mitanni Empire in its war against Assyrians. This ultimately proved unsuccessful and led to direct conflict between the Assyrians and the Hittites as the former pushed into Syria. The Hittites lost at least one major battle with the Assyrians. With the rise of Assyria the Egyptians and the Hittites made peace and become formal allies.

jefritrout14 Mar 2018 7:45 a.m. PST

Since many modern archeologists say that Troy was in actuality a Hittite, not Greek , state; that would mean that Mycenaean Greeks could be an enemy.

I would put forth,
New Kingdom Egyptian
Mycenaean
Israelite
Canaanite
Assyrian

Legion 414 Mar 2018 7:55 a.m. PST

That would be Egyptians. Syrians probably come a close second.
I'd have to go with that too … And generally neither fared well vs. the Israelis …

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 8:18 a.m. PST

The NKE is a good enemy, but most of the Hittite battles we play are against the Nairi (proto Armeninas) or the Barbarians from the north (mostly because that has a real nice ring to it, no?P.

Mark Plant14 Mar 2018 8:46 a.m. PST

The Hittites were an Anatolian kingdom, so most of their battles were with bordering countries. That these states are not famous doesn't make them any less real.

Mitanni and Assyria to the east. Lydia and the Achaeans to the West. Sea Peoples and northern Canaanites to the south. Various tribes to the North.

Egypt and the Hatti only crossed swords at the odd times they were both expansionist.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 9:52 a.m. PST

Mitanni with their massive Light Chariot arm.

Roderick Robertson Fezian14 Mar 2018 11:48 a.m. PST

More Hittites. Civil wars happen, even if they don't make it onto the history stelae.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 12:59 p.m. PST

Trolls, or whatever it was that attacked the imperial troops in the film Great Wall.

Dan

Mister Tibbles14 Mar 2018 4:32 p.m. PST

I like jefritrout's list. thumbs up

Cyrus the Great14 Mar 2018 4:47 p.m. PST

NKE.

langobard Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 6:00 p.m. PST

Egyptians are the obvious choice, but Mycenaean and Assyrian would be good as well.

Tiberius14 Mar 2018 6:31 p.m. PST

Don't forget Mitanni

The Last Conformist17 Mar 2018 12:21 p.m. PST

Egyptians, if only because Kadesh is the only battle we know anything to speak of tactically.

What I actually do have to face my Hittites is Mitanni and Syro-Canaanite, however. Started out with Mitanni and got the Syro-Canaanites and Hittites and enemies and allies.

sidley18 Mar 2018 1:58 a.m. PST

Looking at the options.
NKE – good and varied infantry supported by light chariots so very different to Hittites and a good match.
Mitanni – probably very similar to Hittites with possibly more chariots so no real variety. In my personal opinion a below par match.
Assyrians – Similar chariots in this period but very different infantry being mixed spear/bow units so a good match.
Sea people's – A warband bunch of charging lunatics with a small number of chariots. Very different but possibly one dimensional in their tactics.
Gasgans – A hill people raiding style army. In reality the Hittites would have to fight in the mountains so didn't take that many chariots with them, not easy to replicate and if you fought on the plans the Gasgans would struggle, so not a great match.
Syrian city states – light chariots with some very low quality infantry, possible but not as good as other options.
Mycenaeans – Heavy chariots and good spear infantry, a good option and different enough to make a fun game.

In conclusion I would go with NKE not for historical reasons but for gaming potential. I personally have Hittite and NKE in 10mm and they match well. Having said that, I'm also building a sea people's army, because I like barbarian hordes. A friend has Mycenaean and they provide some good games.

colin knight18 Mar 2018 9:53 a.m. PST

NKE as both armies can use allies to get a great variation of of troops from neighboring empires

Swampking27 Mar 2018 2:41 a.m. PST

There's very little evidence that the Trojans were a Hittite 'state'. There is evidence that they had a treaty with the Hittites but that does not mean they were 'vassals' of the Hittites. In actuality, current archaeology is indicating that Troy might have been the center of a Luwian confederation throughout much of its history.

Having said that, the Hittites had many opponents – other Hittites in the later years of the Empire, the Gasgans and other 'hill' tribes, the Mycenaeans are also a great choice, the Sea Peoples are another great oponent, the Egyptians would provide an interesting oponent, as well as the rising Assyrians. Actually, I would pit the Trojans, or Luwians against the Hittites as well.

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