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Augustus Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 4:47 p.m. PST

Pretty much says it all. :)

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 4:57 p.m. PST

Battle Honors might meet your needs.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 5:17 p.m. PST

Yeah, Battle Honors or maybe First Corps. They were the original larger scale metal WWII. Also, Valiant Minatures are TRUE 25mm, same size as Ral Partha Colonials. They are nice figures, good value I think for the money.

Fred Cartwright13 Mar 2018 5:28 p.m. PST

First Corps are 28mm, Battle Honours and the older Westwind are the only true 25mm I know of.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 7:01 p.m. PST

Battle Honors.

saltflats192913 Mar 2018 7:41 p.m. PST

Battle Honors.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 9:12 p.m. PST
Pizzagrenadier14 Mar 2018 9:50 a.m. PST

Battle Honors are not true 25s. In fact, many of their WWII forces are 28mm and comparable to Warlord, Crusader etc.

I own all but a few of their forces and can say first hand they are 28s. I believe the only true 25s might be the late war Germans and some of the British.

For some reason, BH minis being 25mm is a myth that won't die.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 10:20 a.m. PST

Interesting: I just used a micrometer and measured a standing German Figure. Leaving out fractions:

From the Bottom of the Base to top of head/helmet: 28mm.

From the Bottom of Foot to top of head/helmet: 26mm.

Pizzagrenadier14 Mar 2018 11:33 a.m. PST

Very few of the BH models are standing upright, with many having a very pronounced crouch pose. That possibly confounds measuring their range against others.

Many of the ranges were sculpted by Sean Judd (who currently sculpts for MSC Trident Designs 40mm). I really like his work on the BH range. His sculpts for BH are the ones that tended to be 28mm. Other sculptors for BH might be nearer to the 25mm end of things.

Fred Cartwright14 Mar 2018 11:37 a.m. PST

I own all but a few of their forces and can say first hand they are 28s. I believe the only true 25s might be the late war Germans and some of the British.

I have some Finns, SS and British Paras from Battle Honours and no way would I say any of them are compatible with Warlord, Crusader or Artizan. All are noticably smaller and match the few Westwind I have for size.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 11:49 a.m. PST

PG: agreed re poses. I was actually surprised the figure measured as 'tall' as it did.

Compared to my figures from 1st Corps, Warlord, Crusader, etc., what I notice (immediately) is not the height differential but the difference in girth and mass.

Pizzagrenadier14 Mar 2018 12:04 p.m. PST

Fred: I have the SS, early war Germans, almost all the French, Soviets, Japanese, and Finns and I can say I'm not sure what it is you're seeing. I find them very similar in size and mass as well as style to many of the new Warlord stuff and Crusader and Artizan. They are shorter mostly due to their crouching poses.

I'm sorry but I just don't see what it is you're seeing. I would never call BH true 25mm. Not even close. In fact, a lot of the BH French are in fact bigger than Crusader French, and if you compare them to the Warlord French they're bigger yet!

It is possible that the models you have are some of the older non Sean Judd sculpts but they're in the minority.

Pizzagrenadier14 Mar 2018 12:19 p.m. PST

There's an old old thread on this with a link to this pic. If you remember Allen Curtis, he weighs in on this (as do I). Here's the pic:


The BH French on the right is clearly larger and chunkier than the Warlord French.

Here's the thread and the discussion and some links to various pics of the BH range. It's long been one of my favorite miniature companies. The main reason being they have a chunkier and larger size than many.

TMP link

1st Corps might be the only range that is bigger.

But, the caveat is that BH has an extensive range of minis that go way back, some of which were resculpted. It appears many of the newer models are bigger by today's standards, much of their range is 28mm at the least.

MajorB14 Mar 2018 4:07 p.m. PST

You might be better off looking for newer 20mm figures. With scale creep they'll be close to 25mm …

Augustus Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2018 7:27 p.m. PST

I wanted to thank everyone for the responses! This has helped a great deal.

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