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Tango0113 Mar 2018 11:26 a.m. PST

"After Hubbard's battle with two supposed Japanese submarines determined by the Navy to actually have been an underwater magnetic deposit he was ordered to take his ship, the USS PC-815, south to the naval base at San Diego and carry out her shakedown cruise en route. Hubbard's request to search for the wrecks had been refused; it must have been a frustrating experience to have sailed past the spot where the "battle" had taken place without being allowed to stop and look for the proof.

The USS PC-815 set off from Seattle on May 28, 1943 but had her orders changed that same day to call in first at the port of Alameda, across the bay from San Francisco. There she rendezvoused on May 30 with the USS Croatan (CVE-25), a recently-commissioned escort aircraft carrier, which she was to escort the following day to San Diego. The two ships arrived at the southern Californian port on June 2. Hubbard's second-in-command, Lt Thomas Moulton, left at this point to return to Seattle (and was soon to get his own command)….."
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And this guy is founder of the Church of Scientology???


Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2018 5:56 p.m. PST

Kind of an interesting read. Even moresoe when I also read the prior incident, the "Battle of Cape Lookout", which is linked in the article in the OP.

That event, the Cape Lookout incident, is really rather remarkable. More than 35 hours spent in ASW action off the Oregon coast, reloading depth charges from supply ships multiple times while underway so he could continue the prosecute his contacts, with 4 other US vessels (3 Navy, 1 Coast Guard) and 2 USN blimps convinced to join in the hunt at one point or another, and eventually claiming 2 submarines "presumed to be IJN" (one claimed sunk, one damaged too severely to make it back to Japan) … and not ONE of the other commanders he roped into assisting him was convinced there were actually any submarines present.

The Church of S. evidently has always supported his claim to at least one if not two submarines sunk, and even funded some expeditions to find the wreckage in the 1980s, even though the IJN records, all taken, all examined, and all collated immediately after the war, show no missions to the US Pacific Coast in the entire year of 1943, and only one submarine lost during the month in question, off New Hebrides, in an action that was fully accounted and confirmed.

I could read the presented materials two ways … on the one hand, poor Lt. L. Ron Hubbard seemed to be saying, in his reports, that he was judiciously and enthusiastically attending to all of the critical issues of a new command with under-trained officers and crew. But if you read more than one of the incidence reports he wrote, you start to see the pattern emerge of a guy who is very good with the written word, but seems to imagine a whole lot of stuff that is not supported by the facts at hand, thinks that nothing that goes poorly under his watch is his fault, and that everything that goes well when he is anywhere near by, is to his credit.

And then he went on to claim that the movie and TV series "Mr. Roberts" was based on HIS experiences in the navy?!?

I have experienced several delusional people in my lifetime. I can say with some confidence that the larger patterns, that appear after looking at repeated instances, are clear.

(aka: Mk 1)

goragrad13 Mar 2018 8:36 p.m. PST

Looks to have been an unlucky ship looking at the little post-Hubbard piece.

Tango0114 Mar 2018 12:19 p.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it my friend.


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