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Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 6:39 a.m. PST

I am painting up Polish troops for the Deluge and Thirty years war, and just starting to read a lot about this period. So my group and I aren't sure what to classify Pancerni as "light Cav" or dragoons. So did they fight ever on foot or was it all on horse back.

Bindon Blood12 Mar 2018 7:38 a.m. PST

I've always thought of them as heavy cavalry.

I don't think I've ever read of them fighting on foot…

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 9:14 a.m. PST

I don't know if they ever fought on foot, but I don't think they were lights, either. My understanding is that they were the middle ground between heavily armored hussars, and Lithuanian and Tartar light cavalry. I would probably rate them at whatever your rules consider to be medium cavalry (which may be dragoons).

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 9:25 a.m. PST

We are using Pikemans lament.

Kadrinazi12 Mar 2018 10:01 a.m. PST

During sieges or defending tabor they could fight dismounted, using sabres, pistols, bows (only companions) and muskets. They were not dragoons though, they were purely cavalry – medium one, used both as fire support and as shock troops (when using 'rohatyna' spears or even without them).
We also need to remember, that until 1670's pancerni were not very numerous, only certain 'elite' (with better soldiers and better equipped) banners (companies) were called like that. Majority of Polish/Lithuanian cavalry were 'jazda kozacka' (cossack style cavalry), which in theory had the same equipment as pancerni ;)

Doc Karl12 Mar 2018 10:05 a.m. PST

Pancerni or armored cavalry fought on horseback primarily and were classified as a heavy cavalry. They alongside the famous winged hussars were some of the best cavalry back then. You could do some up as foot as an oddity but they were almost exclusively on horseback. Hope this helps.

Kadrinazi is the most correct on this. Afterall he is a historical researcher for a 1600 period polish game!! :)

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 11:36 a.m. PST

Thanks very much everyone. Does anyone make 28mm figures on foot that would pass for Foundry Pancerni.

Largoras16 Mar 2018 4:51 a.m. PST

Pancerni in Polish translates to 'armoured' (plural) so something like armoured or armed riders. I'd imagine they were on the heavier side of medium cav or lighter side of heavy cavalry.
I doubt they'd go to battle on foot, but maybe if the situation was unfit for a horse or if they were at a disadvantage they would perhaps fight on foot. They predominantly had shields after all.

The Assault Group has really good renaissance era miniatures.

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