"Coveted WWII Singer M1911 Combat Pistols ..." Topic

… For Sale To The Right Buyers

"Over the course of 2018/19, the United States government will be clearing out their storage of WWII firearms. One specific type of gun, the Singer M1911 combat pistol, used in both WWI and WWII is expected to draw a lot of interest as it is very rare.

Once the President has signed the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, the vintage weapons will become available for sale to American citizens. It is believed there may be up to eighty thousand .45-caliber M1911/M1911A1 pistols and accessories available for sale. Only ten thousand per year will be sold.

The Civilian Marksmanship Program is the entity selling the guns. When that organization has received ten thousand orders for the M1911, their names will be uploaded to a computer, which will randomly assign a number to each. The prospective buyers will then be contacted and offered one of the M1911 pistols. An individual can only purchase one…"

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Amicalement
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Because there aren't enough guns on sale in the US already?

Because these are fine pistols & classics.

Heard about this not too long ago. Great chance to win an opportunity to buy one of these firearms.

Because there are not enough guns for sale in the US already.

This is a true militia friendly weapon, used by the US Army.

When I was in the 734th MI Company in the US Army Reserve we had Singer made M1911 pistols. They rattled a lot when you shook them, but I scored Expert.

Mike Bunkermeiser Creek
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They are classics. If you get one lots of practice.

The hoops are a bit much – two background checks, but I imagine the demand will be there.

I'd love to get an original 1911. Sigh, with two kids it will be years before I can afford one.

2 background checks are a bit much to get hold of a device designed specifically to kill someone? Perhaps you would prefer to just go down to the supermarket and buy 1 with the groceries?

Actually, the sporting goods store at the mall across the street will do just fine! No checks at all for private sales, or rifle/shotgun purchased anywhere in most states. So sorry if your feelings are hurty from this…

The FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2016 shows that 4 times as many people were killed with knives than with rifles of any type

There are no background checks associated with knife purchases. And there is no Constitutional Amendment that protects the rights of citizens to keep and bear knives.

But the Constitution DOES protect the rights of citizens to keep and near arms, yet there is a constant battle to erode that freedom.

These pistols were paid for with tax-payer dollars. The government has been paying to store these weapons and guard the warehouses where they are kept. They will never be reissued to soldiers. IMHO, It is long past time to funnel these weapons into the Civilian Marksmanship Program, and allow citizens the chance to purchase one.

I hope to get one to go with my CMP Garand. I learned to shoot small bore with a CMP target rifle under the grizzled eye of an ex-US Cavalry Sergeant through the NRA junior program. The concept of using these surplus arms to train US citizens in marksmanship seems right in line with the founders notions about the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment was created because the new USA did not have a standing army so it needed a local "well regulated militia" to protect its citizens from the people whose land they were invading and they had to provide their own weapons. The USA now has 1 of the largest regular militaries in the world, local defence has the National Guard who have their weapons provided. There are numerous armed law enforcement organisations. On this basis what need is there for local militias any longer? The 2nd amendment dose not give citizens the right to bear arms just because they like them, it has a purpose which no longer prevails. Also weapons available at the time the 2nd amendment was written had a rate of fire of no more than 3 rounds per minute, it did not envision modern semi-automatic weapons. As a point on statistics, guns killed and injured more people in the USA in a 3 week period in September/October 2017 than did Islamic terrorists in all of Europe, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA in the whole of 2017. Which is the biggest threat?

Does the 2nd Amendment also apply to the UK or is it just part of the United States Constitution?

Vigilant-
I want to see if I am following your logic correctly;

According to the US 2010 Census, 40% of the US prison population is made up of African-Americans.
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The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution negated the previous allowances for slavery, abolishing it.

Following your chain of logic, slavery should be re-instituted to protect all US citizens by once again enslaving African-Americans. That would keep that 40% of the US prison population from ever again being a threat.

By the way… in the same 2010 Census, 39% of the US prison population was made up of Whites (non-Hispanics). That means that I too should be granted the opportunity to become a slave so as to protect all US citizens.

American logic: let me show you just how not ed our gun fetishism is. But using the most ed up prison system in modern history as a bad strawman.

The federal law enacted in 1996 (Title 36 U. S. Code, 40701-40733) that created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc. (CPRPFS, the formal legal name of the CMP) mandates these key "functions for the corporation:

1. To instruct citizens of the United States in marksmanship;
2. To promote practice and safety in the use of firearms;
3. To conduct competitions in the use of firearms and to award trophies, prizes, badges, and other insignia to competitors.

They sell surplus weapons to members of CMP affiliated clubs to this end. These clubs in turn train the citizens that will make up the regular forces, reserves, guard, and militia to be competent marksman in keeping with the founders views. You can learn more about the CMP on their website:

thecmp.org/about

@Vigilant … The 2nd Amendment was NOT created because the US had no standing army. It was created because our Founding Fathers, having a deep distrust of governments, were worried that the new one they were creating might end up with a despot at the helm eventually

In order to prevent someone from becoming "king" with absolute power, they wanted to ensure that the common citizen would be able to rise up and oppose that despot. Since (obviously) they had just done exactly that.

Why does the President of the US abide by the laws (at least most of them, most of the time)? Because 1 million armed soldiers would have a tough time facing 100 million armed citizens. In a gorilla war, I might add, so its not like the tanks and planes would have many military targets to tackle.

The 2nd Amendment ensures that all of the other amendments are followed, and that presidents don't decide that "Dictator For Life" has a nice ring to it.

Here's how it works:
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I have one of those CMP M1 Garands and shoot in CMP matches.

Wolfhag

Zoneofcontrol – no, the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to the UK, but as a frequent visitor to the USA over the last 20 years the attitude to the availability of guns by many Americans is a concern to me and other visitors. As for your following of my logic post, that is beneath contempt. The mass killer in Las Vegas last year had the same firepower as an infantry platoon, on his own, and all bought legally as far as I have been able to find. Is this in keeping with the intentions of the founding fathers? And back to my 2nd post, is it really too much to expect to need 2 background checks before being able to buy a military weapon?

Seattlegamer – by "king" with absolute power do you mean someone who appoints his relatives and friends to positions of power without regard to their qualifications and tries to impose his will without regard to the legal structure? I shall keep an eye out for the uprising. Not sure that a bunch of apes are going to do much, but guerrillas might.

Why does the President of the US abide by the laws (at least most of them, most of the time)? Because 1 million armed soldiers would have a tough time facing 100 million armed citizens.

Seriously? This is the only thing that ensures your politicians obey the law?

Really poor topic choice for WW2 WARGAMING – plenty of other relevant sites to argue the merits of the Singer .45 or the US 2nd amendment. If I want to hear this endless argument I can just turn on the TV….

Why does the President of the US abide by the laws (at least most of them, most of the time)? Because 1 million armed soldiers would have a tough time facing 100 million armed citizens. In a gorilla war, I might add, so its not like the tanks and planes would have many military targets to tackle.

That of course assumes that all 100 million gun owners oppose the president. Much more likely 10 million support the president, 10 million oppose and the other 240 million US citizens try not to get killed in the ensuing civil war!
And given the number of attempted and successful assassinations of US presidents (I think Reagan was the last to get shot) you only really need 1 good marksman with a rifle to stop a US president.

Vigilant-
"As for your following of my logic post, that is beneath contempt."

As an American, I appreciate the admission of your contempt towards the Constitutional freedoms of others. We are a forgiving people and openly welcome you to our country so long as you abide by our regulations.

Echoing the statement of SeattleGamer above, the 2nd Amendment was put in place to protect the rights and freedoms of the population. Several governmental jobs and offices require swearing an oath which includes, "…I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;…". This is a cornerstone of American society and is often confusing to some people, especially those considered "subjects" in their own countries. In theory, but not always in practice, it is the ability of each citizen to defend themselves and others as well as the nation that is the goal rather than just the other way around. To too many that is antithetical to their way of thinking.

When America created a standing armed forces and then supplemented them with Reserve and National Guard components, it did not rescind the 2nd Amendment, it was kept in place and practice.

Current estimates are that there are more than 300,000,000 guns in the USA. I doubt another 80,000 will make a difference. The main worry I hear on collector forums is that the guns will be clapped out.

[qoute]As an American, I appreciate the admission of your contempt towards the Constitutional freedoms of others. We are a forgiving people and openly welcome you to our country so long as you abide by our regulations.

I assume he(as I did) found contemptible was your psycho racist strawman.