"Fireforge foot sergeants -- best for Crusade spearmen?" Topic
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| JC Lira | 07 Mar 2018 4:48 p.m. PST |
I'm talking 1st through 3rd crusade here. I like Fireforge's products but I'm not sure if these guys represent Crusade era infantry well. They seem very well equipped, with mail and steel helms. And those kite shields, I expect to see those in the hands of knights, not peasant spearmen. I'm sure many of you are familiar with these models. What do you think? Do those infantry accurately portray the rank and file of early Crusade soldiers? Are there other product lines that do it better? |
 Cardinal Hawkwood  | 07 Mar 2018 4:58 p.m. PST |
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| Ivan DBA | 07 Mar 2018 8:21 p.m. PST |
They are cool, just get them. I think they are too late for 1st Crusade. Maybe okay for 3rd? |
| Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 07 Mar 2018 11:45 p.m. PST |
would you not be better off with Conquest games Normans especially for first and second crusade?
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| Gunfreak | 08 Mar 2018 12:21 a.m. PST |
I don't think the fire forge foot sergeants have mail only gambeson.
The infantry works fine for 3rd crusade. Their cavalry on the other hand is more mid 13th century. |
| JC Lira | 08 Mar 2018 2:02 a.m. PST |
Do those Conquest Normans scale well with Fireforge? Aren't they a bit smaller? |
| Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 08 Mar 2018 3:10 a.m. PST |
I'd say Fireforge and Conquest go pretty well size wise myself (but everyone's mileage varies). There are some of the new Conquest knights and Fireforge knights in a mixed unit on my blog here. link |
| Benvartok | 08 Mar 2018 8:27 p.m. PST |
And don't forget the Perry range of crusaders! Very 1st crusade. |
| Druzhina | 09 Mar 2018 10:38 p.m. PST |
Do those infantry accurately portray the rank and file of early Crusade soldiers? Perhaps the earlist western kite shields in the Codex Aureus of Echternach, 1030-1050AD carried by armoured infantry & unarmoured infantry.
Infantry with almond shield in 'Charlemagne's chess set', Norman Southern Italy, end of the eleventh century
Armoured infantry with kite shield on the Archivolt carvings above the Leoni door of the church of San Nicola in Bari, Italy, early 12th century
David and Goliath in the 'Melisende Psalter', Kingdom of Jerusalem, 1131-43 AD
Spanish infantry with helmets but no shields in the Codex Calixtinus, 1135-1139AD
Armoured infantry with kite shields in Liber ad honorem Augusti, by Pietro da Eboli, Sicily, c.1197 Kite shields are the most common type for western infantry in the 12th century.
See also Frankish Infantry in Armies and Enemies of the Crusades 1096-1291 by by Ian Heath Druzhina
12th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers |
| Puster | 11 Mar 2018 9:25 a.m. PST |
I mix and match Fireforge, Conquest Games and Gripping Beast without much problems (though occasinally a good part of greenstuff). |
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