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GGouveia05 Mar 2018 10:26 a.m. PST

Good movie from a soldier point of view, however the overall message was bunk. Killings on both sides? Yes, however they made it seem even and to compare these to the Atomic bolb…, etc. History is written by the victors… really? Honor? what Honor, the 1st SS were the most ruthless Division of the SS as evidenced by:

Throughout the campaign, the unit was notorious for burning villages.[33] In addition, members of the LSSAH committed atrocities in numerous Polish towns, including the murder of 50 Jews in Błonie and the massacre of 200 civilians, including children, who were machine gunned in Złoczew. Shootings also took place in Bolesławiec, Torzeniec, Goworowo, Mława, and Włocławek.[34]

On 26 May the German advance resumed. By 28 May the LSSAH had taken the village of Wormhout, only ten miles from Dunkirk.[37] After their surrender, soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, Royal Warwickshire Regiment, along with some other units (including French soldiers) were taken to a barn in La Plaine au Bois near Wormhout and Esquelbecq. It was there that troops of the LSSAH 2nd battalion, under the command of SS-Hauptsturmführer Wilhelm Mohnke committed the Wormhoudt massacre, where 80 British and French prisoners of war were killed.[41][42] Although it is unarguable that the massacre occurred, Mohnke's level of involvement is impossible to know; he was never formally charged and brought to trial.[

While in Kharkov, troops of the LSSAH engaged in the murder of wounded Soviet soldiers that were located in the city's military hospital; several hundred were killed. Additionally, captured Soviet officers and commissars were routinely executed.[59

During the fighting around Kharkov, a unit under the command of Joachim Peiper gained a nickname "Blowtorch Battalion", reportedly after the inhabitants of two Soviet villages were shot or burned.[61][62][63] Ukrainian sources, including surviving witness Ivan Kiselev, who was 14 at the time of the massacre, described the killings at the villages of Yefremovka and Semyonovka on 17 February 1943. On 12 February Waffen-SS troops of the LSSAH occupied the two villages, where retreating Soviet forces had wounded two SS officers. In retaliation, five days later LSSAH troops killed 872 men, women and children. Some 240 of these were burned alive in the church of Yefremovka.[64]

Men of the LSSAH helped the Gestapo round up Jews in Berlin; people were taken from their jobs and herded in to cattle wagons on 27–28 February 1943. Most of the captured perished either in Auschwitz or other camps in the East.[

Upon arriving in the Province of Cuneo, Peiper was met by an Italian officer who warned that his forces would attack unless Peiper's unit immediately vacated the province. After Peiper refused, the Italians forces attacked. Peiper's battalion defeated the Italians, and subsequently shelled and burnt down the village of Boves, killing 34 civilians.[74]

While on rear security duties in Italy, LSSAH men murdered 49 Jewish refugees near Lake Maggiore, who had fled there after the German takeover.[75] The murders happened between 15 and 24 September. Some of the victims had their feet and hands tied and were drowned.[76]

The division sustained 5,000 casualties during the Normandy campaign.[94] During their retreat from France, members of the LSSAH and the SS Division Hitlerjugend division murdered 34 French civilians in the towns of Tavaux and Plomion.

At 12:30, near the hamlet of Baugnez, on the height halfway between the town of Malmedy and Ligneuville, Peiper's Kampfgruppe encountered a convoy of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion, US 7th Armored Division.[97][98] After a brief battle the Americans surrendered. Along with other Americans captured earlier (127 men total), they were disarmed and sent to stand in a field near the crossroads, where the Germans shot them en masse with machine guns and pistols.[99] Of the 84 men killed, 41 were killed by a pistol shot to the head at close range and six were killed by having their skulls bashed in.[100] After feigning death in the field for several hours while the Germans moved among them shooting survivors, a group of about 30 men escaped.[101] Researchers Michael Reynolds and Danny S. Parker believe that Peiper or one of his subordinates made the decision to kill the prisoners. [102] There is no record of an SS officer giving an execution order.[103] News of the killings raced through the Allied lines.[104] Captured SS men who were part of Kampfgruppe Peiper were tried during the Malmedy massacre trial following the war for this massacre and several others in the area. Many of the perpetrators were sentenced to hang, but the sentences were commuted. Peiper himself was imprisoned for eleven years for his role in the killings.[

During Battle of the Bulge, troops from 3./SS-PzAA1 LSSAH captured eleven African-American soldiers from the 333rd Artillery Battalion in the hamlet of Wereth. Subsequently the prisoners were shot and their remains found by Allied troops two months later. The soldiers had their fingers cut off, legs broken, and at least one was shot while trying to bandage a comrade's wounds.

Beowulf Fezian05 Mar 2018 10:43 a.m. PST

The movie suffers from severe whitewashing. It is OK from a reenactors point of view. Uniforms, weapons and equipment are well depicted.
And my personal pet peeve in war movies: Firefights are from 30 feet apart.

wrgmr105 Mar 2018 12:04 p.m. PST

Bad movie all around except for the equipment.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2018 12:50 p.m. PST

Seem to be several of those types of movies out there.

Looks like a Renaissance Festivals version of WWII.

Reminds me of an article in Mad magazine from their "Then and Now" series. It went something like this: "Then" the German army was viewed all warlike and evil. "Now" the German army is viewed as spending most of it's time rebuilding churches that the allied bombed.

I agree the got the buttons right, but the history wrong.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2018 1:50 p.m. PST

I wonder what country this was filmed in, and if it was by a major producer.
I really can't see it being done in Germany these days, where even displaying a swastika is illegal. And that's a good thing.
I don't want to see anyone accusing me of "political correctness!" grin

Old Peculiar05 Mar 2018 2:24 p.m. PST

LSAH were a fanatical bunch of murderous scum. Any re-enactors who want to ponce about in their uniforms are emotionally needy or simply sick. Not just my opinion.

Thomas Thomas05 Mar 2018 3:03 p.m. PST

Having watched it I can say without qualification: its crap. A few mediocre battle scenes with a bit of still running WWII equipment are the few points of interest.

Re-enactors are not however "sick" but seek to represent what soldiers in WWII looked like and spark interest. You then of course need to read more about it.

You can hardly have a WWII event without Germans or a Civil War event without confederates. This does not imply the "actors" portraying these units endorse their ideology.


Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2018 9:29 p.m. PST

Being a Wehrmacht reenactor is one thing. Being an SS reenactor is beyond the pale.

GGouveia06 Mar 2018 9:36 a.m. PST

I thought the movie would have been better if it was a Herr soldier instead of 1st SS soldier who would have known or been part of these massacres. He only starts doubting his cause during the Normandy campaign? Really????

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2018 4:59 a.m. PST

Yeah, might as well reenact Auschwitz guards if you are doing 1st SS.

McWong7309 Mar 2018 1:20 p.m. PST

Cosplay for the middle aged, always fun to watch.

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