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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2018 12:43 p.m. PST

Please let me show you some painted figures from the Three Armies Range showing the British (not forgetting KGL) infantry in overcoats. Something rarely portrayed and that novelty is to be commended. I know who created and cast the figures, but no idea who is the painting artist……..the plainer the finish the more challenging the task I always think. These are really well done

and they did get the colours the right way around too. King's to the right, Regt to the left……..as long as they are in the front rank then, fine….as bottom picture


More images here on that Facebook thing that some people favour
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Garde de Paris18 Feb 2018 1:20 p.m. PST

Is it just me, or are those Shakos gigantic?

GdeP

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2018 8:08 p.m. PST

yeah picture makes them look big for some reason but they measure up to the perry ones spot on. It will change with production run ones though.

nsolomon9918 Feb 2018 8:28 p.m. PST

Very nice

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

These look great, I especially like the drummer.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP20 Feb 2018 8:46 p.m. PST

Thank you Lambert, yes he was my favorite too.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2018 6:14 a.m. PST

I would have chosen the standard bearers. Personally I would have the flagstaff grounded, rather than at the carry. Much easier on their arms, quite some leverage there! I think in an inevitably small line trying to represent many hundreds, the flags flying too high distract.

I have only committed to the redcoats so far…there is that lead mountain to climb

von Winterfeldt21 Feb 2018 12:05 p.m. PST

the staff for the colours looks extremley short, how could they hold it?

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2018 12:33 p.m. PST

there is no pleasing some people.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2018 12:35 p.m. PST

Figures are open handed, get your tools and your brass/plastic rod out and make it bigger then. Anyhow GMB flags are way too big, to each his own.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2018 1:57 p.m. PST

True.

GMB freely admit their flags are overscale for 28mm (1/56), but their quality is such that we do not complain.

Indeed the demand is for larger colours, as that is what the wargames community seeks.

But they were quite a size in reality (the flags not the wargames community). We often read that they had to be half furled, or the bearer could easily be blown over in any wind. Equally, a two handed approach was surely necessary, but that is rarely modelled as very difficult in a single casting I imagine.

Thes are still my favourite in the range but, again, I would simply ground the flag, as the figure's right hand looks perfectly capable of holding it thus.

von Winterfeldt24 Feb 2018 7:59 a.m. PST

"Thes are still my favourite in the range but, again, I would simply ground the flag, as the figure's right hand looks perfectly capable of holding it thus."

I disagree – try it out, you arm should be almost stretched out to force the colour staff downwards into the socket, alone with your wrist strength you wouldn't be able to hold it.

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2018 9:39 a.m. PST

I assume Deadhead meant have the staff resting on the ground, not in the socket, in which case you could easily hold it with one hand – unless a gust of wind caught the flag. That's what I will do with these figures, when I get them…as I definitely will…lead pile or not.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2018 9:51 a.m. PST

Sorry if was not clearer.

I do agree that the colour bearer would find it hard to hold the flag as shown above. The leverage would be massive. Even holding it higher is a two handed job, although one does see parade ground colour bearers manage it for short periods.

No, I meant the base of the pole is on the ground, which would surely be far more likely when at rest as these chaps are. the best figure I can find is ACW, but this was what I meant;

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Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2018 5:19 p.m. PST

but having your flag grounded when all around you are marching forward is going to look a little odd. n'est pas?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2018 2:31 a.m. PST

mais qui.

But these two lads are clearly standing still, at the ready……….just how we have long wanted to see such figures.

Every time I go back to this page they look even better, but I'll stick with my Kickstarter redcoats for now………that lead mountain!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2018 3:54 a.m. PST

That was meant to be an O, not a Q!

If these prove as successful as they deserve, would it be a major task to redo in stove pipe shako also? Wonder if the earlier Peninsula look would appeal?

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2018 11:15 a.m. PST

The on conversion work for all of these into stove pipe shakos has already been done! The problem is the mould costs, so they are all sat there awaiting another Kickstarter!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Feb 2018 1:20 p.m. PST

Reminds me of Jackson and the sniper in the belfry in Spielberg's SPR movie (film, to us in UK, Fillum if you are Indian Sub Continent or Irish, like me)

The quote is "This guy has talent"…….

I personally would want them as they are, but I did suspect a huge following for the earlier look also.

One day someone will do cavalry in this look, but without heads. Imagine how many units one could then create, from how many nations, whether heavy or light. Any cavalry unit, any country, in their cloaks, at rest.

archiduque26 Feb 2018 10:08 a.m. PST

Very nice work !;-)

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2018 9:16 p.m. PST

Yes Deadhead filum it is as I share those celtic roots too,

And yes again I do have work in progress for cavalry units wearing a long coat. But def NOT seperate heads, a nice dream but a logistics nightmare. Just like those ones I showed you of the Saxon heavy brigade at Borodino. ;)

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2018 3:45 a.m. PST

Still have your Saxon Cavalry images, saved to inspire me.

Frankly, any cavalry unit in the caped cloak would be wonderful. Perrys got started with Retreat from Moscow but the figures are very much specific to that campaign, with many an extra layer to try to survive.

Heads can still be amputated by villians like me!

Marc at work28 Feb 2018 7:40 a.m. PST

For a wargamer though, I wonder how many troops fought in greatcoats, cavalry especially.

And it is something that has long puzzled me. French are always available in a variety of campaign wear, but all other nations come only in parade dress. Did Austrians, Prussians and Russians not have "campaign dress"? Were they better supplied?

Marc

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2018 2:11 p.m. PST

Now this is a very good point.


I have this notion ("Notion" is a very Irish term that needs to be spoken out loud, as my Mom did, bless her soul…it was No,o,tion) that only applied to the French marching up that ridge, in 1815, in greatcoats. Indeed, they wore this look universally……even in a hot June in Belgium………we are told.

I accept that the British/KGL had been commanded that such a rig was totally unneeded, esp in June 1815…so it was to be returned to store. It will not rain. Not in June…..


Marc is right to ask. We never see Prussians in great coats (I am sure Calpe do them……I think…..)


But this is what is so good, for those of us who do not throw dice……….in this new range. The courage to show something new.

These could all be ridiculed for wargaming as they are;

Posed at rest (great)
Dressed in anything but parade ground uniform
British/KGL (anything not French…never works)
Not 1/72 (not TOTS either so)
Not Plastic and so hideously deformed as they always are(slight wind up………..slight only)


I beg you to think how much time cavalry spent in Cloaks, Infantry spent in greatcoats, both at rest not charging hell for leather……….

Lord Hill28 Feb 2018 2:37 p.m. PST

Continuing Marc's good point, why do British shakos only have a cover over them if they are Belgic? Did the stovepipe shakos not need covers? Seems very unlikely.

One reason I don't care too much about getting units 100% "correct", is that I firmly believe "correct" is something accrued from a pretty random selection of sources over the last 100 years (beginning around 100 years after the actual period). I have absolutely no faith that what we all commonly agree was worn on Napoleonic battlefields is correct.
If we could go back in a time machine and have a stroll around Waterloo etc, I really believe we would be amazed at how wrong many of our currently accepted "truths" are.

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2018 3:27 p.m. PST

Lord Hill, I suspect you're right. It would be absolutely fascinating to go back in time and see what the uniforms actually were. Whether the French had any Mamelukes at Waterloo, whether British trumpeters had grey horses. Who knows, there may have been British infantry in greatcoats, despite orders to the contrary.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2018 4:04 p.m. PST

Oh do not stop there…..

Did 28th wear that stovepipe shako…let alone the French backpack?

Indeed, did any British unit, Light Regts, even Rifles, wear anything but the Belgic "shako"? (Awful thought)

Grey horses for "British" trumpeters, cavalry guidons, anything but a cover for RNBDs' bearskins…no!

Did K's Dragoon Guards, Royals and 6th wear a cover over their Dragoons helmet?

Lord Hill's question I posed here before. Why never a cover over the stovepipe shako? I have seen it for 95th…once only.

But when it really mattered, south of Brussels, the horrible rumour that 95th were in the "Belgic Shako" anyway

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2018 4:17 p.m. PST

i make you boys pretty much spot on correct with that dress code. Dont forget I sell more parade dress figures than campaign dress easily, so that's why I did brits in full dress too and in a 'different' pose etc. For my money, I can only put it out there and see what happens, I'd love to do more cavalry in greatcoats but tbh if it dont sell then I wont be doing any more lol simple as that really.

Lord Hill01 Mar 2018 12:23 a.m. PST

As is so often the case in life, the more I read about a topic, the less I feel I "know". And beware the "expert" who is 100% certain they are right.

Tyler32606 Apr 2018 8:25 a.m. PST

Need Brits in greatcoats buy with Stovepipe shako.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Apr 2018 7:57 p.m. PST

Everything comes to he who waits. lol check back in the summer or mail me on the web page I can send you some draft samples of the ones in stove pipes. ;)

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