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28mm Fanatik14 Feb 2018 10:52 p.m. PST

With all the new unofficial NATO cards I posted including the M1A1: TMP link my Sovs feel a bit neglected, so I decided to give them a better tank too to play with. Since I have quite a few of the nice Zvezda T-72B's with Kontakt-5 ERA (about 10), I thought "why not?" It came out in 1989, right before the collapse of the Iron Curtain but not too out of place in the setting of Team Yankee.

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The points cost scheme for a Soviet tank company is a bit less straightforward than the NATO tank platoons. Rather than giving a tank a points cost and simply multiplying it by the number of vehicles, TY gives a Soviet command tank a points cost but the starting cost of a Soviet tank company is given a discount. A 3-tank "company" costs less on a per tank basis than the command tank. For instance, the T-72A command tank is 5 points, but a 3-tank company costs only 12 points, or 4 points per tank. But each successive tank added to the company costs the same as the command tank incrementally. The same goes for the T-64, which costs 4.33 points per tank in a 3-tank company but each successive tank added costs 6 points (the cost of the command tank).

So the question is, what should the starting point cost be for the minimum 3-tank company of T-72B's if the command tank (and each successive tank above 3 in a company) is 7 points? Based on the T-72A (4 points) and T-64 (4.33 points), I decided that starting at 17 points (or 5.67 points per tank in a 3-tank company) is reasonably conservative.

Chuckaroobob15 Feb 2018 12:04 a.m. PST

You are my hero!

Old Wolfman15 Feb 2018 8:02 a.m. PST

Might get some use out of those Zvezda uparmored T-72's after all.

leobarron2000 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2018 11:05 a.m. PST

Love your cards. Printed out the Bradley and Apache ones. I was wondering how you came up with the 18 Front Armor for the B variant? I know the American soldiers called the T-72B the Super Dolly Parton version because of the extra 20mm of frontal armor – e.g. it went from 500/560mm (T-72) against HEAT to (T-72B) 520/950mm against HEAT. However, I would argue 17 Front Armor is probably more accurate than 18. 18 is roughly a 12% increase vs. 17 which is only a 6% increase. 520mm is around a 4% increase in armor protection. Hence, why I think 17 is better than 18. Thoughts?

28mm Fanatik15 Feb 2018 1:28 p.m. PST

how you came up with the 18 Front Armor

The T-64's armor is 370mm 440mm vs. APFSDS and 500mm 575mm vs. HEAT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-64

The T-72B with Kontakt-5 is 540mm 760mm vs. APFSDS and 800mm 1,220mm vs. HEAT: link

That's a 46% 73% improvement against APFSDS compared to the T-64's and a 60% 112% improvement vs. HEAT.

Since the T-64's armor in TY is 17 in front, a 1 point increase to the frontal armor of the T-72B obr. 1989 isn't too much to ask.

leobarron2000 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2018 1:42 p.m. PST

Understood. I did not include the Kontakt 5 Armor in my calculations. I only included the 20mm of extra RHA.

Tgunner17 Feb 2018 7:09 a.m. PST

Need the M1A1 to take out these boogers. Nice work!!

Mark Hoffman20 Feb 2018 12:14 p.m. PST

Hi. I've really enjoyed your unofficial Team Yankee vehicle cards. How about a card for the Soviet T-80B or T-80BV, they are both in the 1985 time frame. Thank would be great.
Thanks

28mm Fanatik20 Feb 2018 1:32 p.m. PST

Mark,

The T-80B is virtually identical to the BF T-64 stat -wise, so you can use the same card without adjustment/modification to represent the T-80B.

According to Wikipedia the armor comparison between the two are:

T-80B: 440 mm-450mm vs APFSDS and 500mm-575mm vs HEAT
T-64: 370mm-440mm vs APFSDS and 500mm-575mm vs HEAT

I'm assuming high end values, which are so identical between the two that in game terms there's no difference.

I can do a T-80BV card with Kontakt-1 ERA. The only difference is the ERA which provides side armor of 16 vs HEAT.

Mark Hoffman20 Feb 2018 7:58 p.m. PST

Thanks for the info and the offer to do a T-80BV card.

28mm Fanatik26 Apr 2018 9:59 p.m. PST

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Mark Hoffman27 Apr 2018 7:02 a.m. PST

Thank you for re-posting the M1A1, T-72B and Apache helicopter cards. I greatly appreciate it.
If you get the time, would you please re-post the M-3 Bradley cards???

Mark Hoffman27 Apr 2018 7:06 a.m. PST

Also, could you re-post the Mi-8/17 cards?? Please??

Lion in the Stars30 Apr 2018 2:52 p.m. PST

Thanks for the repost!

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