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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2018 12:20 p.m. PST


Heck with the bad reviews from people who haven't even seen anything yet.
I'm ready.
"Chewie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship".

Generalstoner4911 Feb 2018 12:27 p.m. PST

I will be honest; After the absolute drek that was The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi I don't know that I will not contributing to Disney's money grab and blatant destruction of the great lore and background of Star Wars.

I really do not have any faith in Disney's vision for this franchise any longer. It is a shame. Many may not agree with me but don't hold out hope for the Solo stand alone movie.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2018 12:48 p.m. PST

I think too many people view the movies with an expectation of seeing what they want to see.
This, "Luke Skywalker would never run away and hide!"
But that's exactly what Yoda and Obi Wan did.
They're angry that all the books and comics that used to be considered canon are now…. not.
Only the movies are canon. Get used to it.

warwell11 Feb 2018 1:22 p.m. PST

In my opinion, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were far better than the prequels, so we are on an upward trajectory. And I thought that Rogue One was excellent.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2018 1:55 p.m. PST

Yuppers, been quite happy with the new movies!

I only read a few of the old books, cherry-picking the better ones and avoiding a lot of dreck. So I certainly don't miss seeing the drecky cannons thrown overboard. ^,^

Calico Bill11 Feb 2018 2:41 p.m. PST

I'll give it a miss. RO was ok, the others down there with the prequels. It'll be very PC I have no doubt.😝

Dezmond11 Feb 2018 5:05 p.m. PST

>It'll be very PC I have no doubt.😝

At one point Soylo will say 'I love you' to Daenerys Targaryen, and she will say 'I know' and then fly the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs.

Being a space hero just isn't what it used to be.

Korvessa11 Feb 2018 6:33 p.m. PST

I am with Winston.
Besides, I don't understand why people don't think Luke would be effected by decades of war. Why wouldn't it change him?
There's a reason they call it "youthful" idealism

Personal logo Ironwolf Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Feb 2018 9:09 p.m. PST

Disney is ending the Skywalker Saga with these last three movies. Disney didn't announce this and most fans, like me, were expecting episode 7-9 to continue the story, NOT end it. Which is why a lot of fans were upset with the new movies. Not that they were bad, but that they were not what fans expected.

But now Disney is starting to make it known that ep 7-9 were done to end George Lucas era of SW. Now Disney has the entire SW universe open to them. Disney has done away with the books and comics as canon. The sith are gone, the jedi are now gone. All of the background characters are gone and only a couple of the main characters are left in the story. The empire is gone and the only connection to the past movies is Ben Solo and Leia Organa. So after episode 9 is released, the Skywalker saga is done. The George Lucas era of SW is done. Disney has the entire SW universe to make up their stories in.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2018 9:20 p.m. PST

Oddly enough, the first thought I had at the Luke/Ren reveal was the Marty Robbins cowboy ballad El Paso. "Shocked by the foul evil deed I had done."
Btw, the cowboy runs and hides too. A less noble spirit than Luke would have sucked it up and finished the job.

The problem with canon (NOT "CANNON") is that is canonical. grin
Tautology aside, it confines the movie. Who would want to do a movie where the fanboys already know Mara Jade is going to…
So the "rich background" has to be thrown under the bus so they can sell more tickets. I never read the "canonical" books, and I'm like the vast majority who went to the movies.
It's like the Game of Thrones show being forced to do the Red Wedding, but now they're past the written word.

As for being PC, do you think that any and all female or non white characters are due to some government mandated quota system?

gamershs Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2018 10:44 p.m. PST

Guess what. The characters are getting old and if the plots are not moved away from them they will be dying for real (oops, forgot Carrie Fisher/Princess Leia is gone). With the background in place there can be a number of new story lines and even prequels (yes Hans Solo) that can add interesting plots.

Cacique Caribe Inactive Member11 Feb 2018 11:23 p.m. PST

Let me guess … Emilia Clarke plays the part of Han Solo? :)


TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2018 4:33 a.m. PST

Wow, there's enough straw floating around here to build a straw man village. Odd, I didn't care about any of the non-canonical eu stuff. I didn't care that Luke ran away. I didn't care that it was PC or that there were strong female characters in it. (My favorite sci fi stories always have strong female characters.)

I hated The Last Jedi because the script made not a lick of sense, with incredibly stupid characters doing incredibly stupid things. I didn't like it because The Force Awakens took great pains to set up mysteries within mysteries and the sequel not only didn't pay them off, but made a point to declare them null and void. It was like the dream season in the old tv show, Dallas, where the entire season ended up not mattering. I didn't like it because it took everything special and unique about Star Wars and made it feel cliched and mundane. I didn't like it because at the end of the movie it made both the empire and the rebellion feel petty and small and as if the galaxy had outgrown them both.

I hated it because it used beloved characters as props. Why were R2D2 and Chewbacca even in the movie? Leia looked all worried and forlorn but other than her Mary Poppins turn, had nothing to do.

Now they are doubling, tripling and quadrupling down with all Star Wars all the time everywhere. They've announced multiple new tv series, there are new movies every year with two separately announced trilogies coming.

When something is no longer unique or special, it begins to fade. We don't need to know every origin story, every side story and every tertiary story from every character.

It's no surprise that toy and merchandise sales are way down outside of the material focused on the original trilogy. There's too much Star Wars, and thus it just isn't special any more.

Dezmond12 Feb 2018 5:04 a.m. PST

>Emilia Clarke plays the part of Han Solo? :)

The 'Solo' of the title is Ms. Clarke's character Qi'ra Solo, the protagonist of the movie.

Han is her sidekick and adopts her name because she is so awesome.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2018 5:13 a.m. PST

Regarding Star Wars they should have cut off from the previous films and do their own thing. If they ever had to involve the old gang, it would have been better to do it all a decade or two ago so you wouldn't cringe every time you saw one of them on screen.

As for prequels, stupid movie making mistakes aside they usually end up ruining throwaway lines and details.

Rogue One already ruined the Rebellion's and Luke's stroke of luck that the Death Star had a critical flaw, oh wait it was a purposefully built critical flaw complete with neon lights pointing the way … way to diminish your own canon.

As for the kessel run, it was a throwaway line, this was "not so bright" Han thinking he was dealing with some desert hicks he could awe with some fast talk. He's the kind of guy to say a stupid mistake like that knowing they wouldn't even call him out on it and they didn't which helped him understand they were just suckers who wanted to get somewhere at any price and he was going to make good money.

They are going to make this big thing out of it because one of the most important functions of the EU is to function as an apologism factory for the storytelling failures of the Great Storyteller, the Great Helmsman, the Supreme Guru, the Only Storyteller that ever mattered, George Lucas. And now that they can finally film it all and make it screen canon.

On one side we have the Star Wars Apologists, on the other hand we have the apolgists of the Catholic Church, the airbrushers of the Communist Party and the whole Ministry of Truth and Ingsoc and they are amateurs compared to the Star Wars people.

I'll be damned if Han Solo doesn't follow the hero pattern we've seen repeated over and over in the last few years : The main guy is a reluctant because of some tragedy/dark past/etc. He has a chance encounter with a female character who redeems him and he gets to be heroic in the third act.

You know George Lucas isn't a good writer or a good director, but his movies had one redeeming quality, they were original visions, not the product of marketing research and trying to rehash the original stuff in such a way people will want to see a new Star Wars movie every year until the day they die.

Dynaman878912 Feb 2018 7:25 a.m. PST

Really? From Star Wars to the Catholic church?

> He has a chance encounter with a female character who redeems him and he gets to be heroic in the third act.

That is a plot point hanging around a LOT longer than the last few years, I don't remember Beawulf having it but soon after.

Garand12 Feb 2018 8:13 a.m. PST

Well the Skywalker Saga will have spanned 9 movies, so I'd say it is time to end it & move on…

As far as the movies are concerned, we've had (IMHO) one great installment, one fun-but-not-entirely-original installment and one OK installment. So not really a bad track record especially when compared to the prequels (and especially Ep1). So I am going to reserve judgement.


Personal logo PrivateSnafu Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2018 8:25 a.m. PST

I like Star Wars.

Thomas Thomas12 Feb 2018 9:04 a.m. PST

Disney's record is mixed. But perceptions are tainted by the not so great Last Jedi.

Force Awakens was OK though way too much of a remake. But if Last Jedi was "an original version" lets go back to remakes.

Rogue One had its moments and may be the best overall of the Disney efforts. I'm hoping Solo produces similar results – a one off background story with lower expectations and no need for metastory telling. Much more worried about the Ryan Johnson movies to come (well GOTs B&B may bode well for future films).


LostPict Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2018 10:31 a.m. PST

I think Yoda says it best: YouTube link

I have liked all 3, especially Rogue One. I am hoping Ron Howard has worked magic.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 Feb 2018 2:16 p.m. PST

It's like complaining that nothing was used from Splinter in the Mind's Eye.

Dezmond12 Feb 2018 5:22 p.m. PST

>I like Star Wars.

I like… something. But whatever it is I like it isn't what Disney are selling.

Hearing about what they are doing to Star Wars just fills me with a sense of dread.

Then again most things fill me with a sense of dread these days.

Sure would be nice to escape in to daydreams of heroism and adventure in a galaxy far far away.

Lost Wolf15 Feb 2018 6:27 p.m. PST

Last Jedi was too PC for my tastes.

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