| El Lobo | 11 Feb 2018 10:31 a.m. PST |
I believe that the French XI Corps 32nd Division of 1812 had Penal Battalions within its ranks.Can anyone provide info of these units along with any other countries who also used Penal units and their designations during the Napoleonic wars.Were regular Officers used to command these units or were they also condemned men?What sort of crimes got you send to these units?What sort of duties would these units be used for?Suicide missions? Thanks in advance. |
| gboue2001 | 11 Feb 2018 12:23 p.m. PST |
Strange question as these rgts were not penal units but infantry regiments consisting of disobedient draftees, soldiers who had rejected the draft and had been captured by the gendarmerie. Instead of sending them to penal units, special regiments were created to train them. They didn't behaved that bad in 1813 and were transformed in regular line and light rgts. The officiers were retired ones, called back with a superior rank, NCO were coming from the line rgts and were specaking the language of the unwilling soldiers (i.e: italian for the Méditerranée Regiment) It was my Phd subject in the Sorbonne a long time ago. Belle-Isle Regiment, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Battalions
Isle de Ré Regiment, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Battalions
Walcheren Regiment, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Battalions
1st Méditerranée Regiment, 1st and 2nd Battalions
2nd Méditerranée Regiment, 1st, 2nd and 4th Battalions The only penal units could be somme british regiments (Wellington's quote):-)) Gboue from Paris |
| JimSelzer | 11 Feb 2018 1:05 p.m. PST |
wasn't aware of penal regiments just POW ones  Thank you |
| charared | 11 Feb 2018 2:27 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the info gboue2001! |
79thPA  | 11 Feb 2018 2:43 p.m. PST |
Interesting information. Thanks gboue2001. |
| Marcel1809 | 12 Feb 2018 8:33 a.m. PST |
Thanks a lot gboue2001 (merci beaucoup), some of the info I was alos looking for (about officers and NCO's). Would the officers and NCo's have the their old line uniforms or would they wear the simpler/plainer uniforms of the refractaires battalions, I' m planning to paint some in the near future. |
| Camcleod | 12 Feb 2018 9:21 a.m. PST |
Uniform of the Walcheren and Ille de Re Regiments
I assume the others were in the same. |
| Edwulf | 12 Feb 2018 12:16 p.m. PST |
Britain had them in a sense. Royal York Rangers or the York Light Infantry I think. Un- numbered Regiments used to garrison African outposts. The men were usually troublemakers and deserters from other units. |
| El Lobo | 14 Feb 2018 10:40 a.m. PST |
Sorry gboue2001 for my ignorance with this subject as I'm a "newbee" to this period and didn't realise they were infantry regiments and not penal units,but thanks very much for your excellent information.Much appreciated. |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
