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Footslogger05 Feb 2018 3:14 a.m. PST

Hi, I'm looking to do some more Rheinbund allies for the French army in the Danube campaign.

Do you think 1806 Prussian figures would work for 1809 Saxons? I'm looking especially at the Three Armies Range, but I'd consider others.

What were the differences, if any?

nsolomon9905 Feb 2018 3:17 a.m. PST

You don't specify scale?!

I'd comment that Eureka do an excellent range of 1806 Saxons in 15mm/18mm.

Footslogger05 Feb 2018 3:24 a.m. PST

Sorry, 28mm.

Brownand05 Feb 2018 3:26 a.m. PST

Elite has 28mm saxons

Col Blancard05 Feb 2018 3:30 a.m. PST

For 28mm – look at Perry Miniatures, they cover the Rheinbund regiments with unequalled details (infantry only).

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 3:49 a.m. PST

I have 28mm 1806 Saxons next up in the moulds, so you may want to wait on that. I will have them on the next Kickstarter with loads more Prussians inc cav and artillery.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 3:51 a.m. PST

I'm not sure what they wore in 1809 tbh, but there are other ranges out there like Westphalia miniatures now Black hussar their Saxons in shakos look awesome.

Footslogger05 Feb 2018 4:01 a.m. PST

Thanks, Michael, I think I'll wait for yours!

I have some ex-Westphalia late Saxons, and I agree, very characterful.

Decebalus05 Feb 2018 4:19 a.m. PST

The problem is, that the Saxons 1809 used the old uniform of 1806 (with bicornes), that was like that of the prussians, but they now had their backpack on the back (not on the side).

Afaik there is no 28mm range of them. Its a shame because everyone is making Saxons for 1812+.

Footslogger05 Feb 2018 5:05 a.m. PST

Bother!

I thought there might be an issue with backpacks.

von Winterfeldt05 Feb 2018 5:34 a.m. PST

not possible, 1806 Prussians had straight lapels, Saxons still had open and round ones.
Also the Saxon infantry fought in the 1806 campaign in the Kittel a sort of coat made of linen worn above the uniform coat.

this is how they did look like

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and for 1809 note the difference

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as you can see, the lapels did not end in a straight line, the pack on the hip in 1806 now on the back, and the waistbelt of 1806 as crossbelt in 1809 and linen overals.

So you would need Saxons for 1806 and definately Saxons for 1809, there is plenty of good sources and illustrations around.
No excuses to get the uniform, equipment of poses (different loading procedure due to the Saxon musket, as compared to British or French) wrong.

Personal logo The Badger Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 5:46 a.m. PST

Check Casting Room too

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18th Century Guy Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 5:26 p.m. PST

Since no one makes the 1806 Saxons in the kittel then you'll probably be stuck with parade dress. Which isn't so bad.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 6:05 p.m. PST

I sculpted the ones for casting room too, about 10 years ago. They are a bit too big and chunky now for todays standards and they are also parade dress in 1806.

18th Century Guy Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2018 7:33 p.m. PST

Fortunately or unfortunately I don't think you'd get much bite for 1806 Saxons in the kittel. I know it is historically correct but I'd be concerned about how well that sculpt would sell.

I plan on using Elite Miniatures 1806 Saxons.

von Winterfeldt06 Feb 2018 5:19 a.m. PST

at least they would paint quickly and would be a change of the usual uniforms worn at that time.

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2018 5:56 a.m. PST

campaign dress stuff dont sell as well as parade dress, only madmen like the Perrys or me would do it. lol

Footslogger06 Feb 2018 8:17 a.m. PST

Does this mean you might be doing 1806 Saxons in trousers as well as in breeches and gaiters?

Three Armies Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2018 8:32 a.m. PST

lol no, that is unlikely for me, doing one set of Saxons is mad two sets will get me stuck into a funny farm . Will get to the later Saxons though as they also look sweet, but not this year.

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