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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Feb 2018 10:20 a.m. PST

Who would you rate as the best?

Sho Boki03 Feb 2018 10:42 a.m. PST

Barclay de Tolly.

von Winterfeldt03 Feb 2018 10:43 a.m. PST

Barclay de Tolly

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 11:12 a.m. PST

Must be an echo in here.

Barclay de Tolly

N0tt0N Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 11:23 a.m. PST

Jean Baptiste Jules Bernadotte was pretty helpful to the Russians ;)

Barclay de Tolly

14Bore03 Feb 2018 12:05 p.m. PST

Barclay, there were a few Division General who were good seems to me, one which didn't survive the war but escaping me now.

Mick the Metalsmith Inactive Member03 Feb 2018 12:07 p.m. PST

if one understands the political aspect of being a general: Kutuzov.

Personal logo jeffreyw3 Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 12:13 p.m. PST

General of Infantry Mikhail Golenishchev-Kutuzov

LtJBSz Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 12:26 p.m. PST

Bagration

arthur181503 Feb 2018 12:42 p.m. PST

I suppose someone has to say @General Winter' – so I will!

TMPWargamerabbit03 Feb 2018 1:33 p.m. PST

B de T has my first vote.

wrgmr103 Feb 2018 1:47 p.m. PST

Barclay de Tolly

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 2:04 p.m. PST

I would have said Kutuzov by reflex but it was Barclay de Tolly who laid the ground work for Kutuzov, so my vote goes to Barclay de Tolly as well

Stoppage03 Feb 2018 2:29 p.m. PST

Suvarov

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 2:58 p.m. PST

Just to be controversial, Bennigsen because he held Napoleon to a draw at Eylau.

Brechtel19803 Feb 2018 3:00 p.m. PST

Barclay.

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP03 Feb 2018 5:41 p.m. PST

Suvarov

Three Armies03 Feb 2018 6:28 p.m. PST

Suvarov here too

HappyHussar03 Feb 2018 7:07 p.m. PST

Suvarov! Barclay was good too but the Russians did not trust him like their did their "Father" who was one of the best commanders of his era. Sadly dumb Tsar Paul sacked him after the 1799 campaign in Switzerland. He died soon afterwards. Well so did Paul. ;)

4th Cuirassier04 Feb 2018 5:21 a.m. PST

Tormasov, to prove I've heard of him.

Le Breton Inactive Member04 Feb 2018 6:10 a.m. PST

Tormasov did very very well with very few resources over very great distances.
Also Wittgenstein.
Nevorovskiy was quite good, even with not-so-great troops.
Bagration was very good in operationa movement and meeting engagements
Rayevskiy and Dokhturov earned their fame well, too.
And Kutusov did mange to win, in the end.
And indeed, Suvarov was a "father" of them all (except Wittgenstein) – the man who set the example for all the others.

But the best Russian general was the one whose troops – despite being a despicable rabble of unreliable semi-barbarians – changed the very nature of war-fighting to a paradigm that insured their vistory …. the true "bringer of death" to the French, whose Kalmyk tribesmen were the first to water their ponies at Jardins Luxe. in Paris …. the Ataman Matvey Ivanovich Platov

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14Bore04 Feb 2018 6:55 a.m. PST

Neverovsky, thats who I was thinking of

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2018 8:46 a.m. PST

Technically, Suvarov was not around for the Napoleon Wars.

If the question had been "Who was the Best Russian General during the Napoleonic Period, 1793-1815", then he would be the best (IMHO).

21eRegt Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2018 9:01 a.m. PST

Barclay de Tolly

huevans01104 Feb 2018 12:26 p.m. PST

For sheer down and dirty fighting, I would have to say Bagration.

Stoppage04 Feb 2018 2:59 p.m. PST

@andrew

You are correct. Suvarow is an anachronistic choice.

HappyHussar04 Feb 2018 9:44 p.m. PST

But the dates were NOT given and the French Rev period is often considered part of the Napoleonic wars so there! ROFL

Isn't history fun? ;)

Adding this in .. ok – if the Napoleonic Wars excludes the French Rev period .. then we should have a separate French Rev Wars forum ;)

14Bore05 Feb 2018 6:34 p.m. PST

As the Revolution period lead straight to the Napoleonic and a direct continuity it has to be same era.

Edwulf05 Feb 2018 7:52 p.m. PST

Suvarov. He never lost.

Sho Boki05 Feb 2018 10:05 p.m. PST

Is'nt it Suvorov, not Suvarov.
He had only one normal Napoleonic big battle, having superiority in numbers, lost it at midday and was saved by Austrians.
But as partisan General against rebellions and Turks, yes, was very talented.

HappyHussar05 Feb 2018 10:54 p.m. PST

Yes, Suvorov. And he won the three day Battle of the Trebbia vs. MacDonald's superior forces. Russo-Austrian army. Unstoppable. The 1799 campaign in Italy saw his Russians and the Austrians beat three different French armies.

Brechtel19806 Feb 2018 3:50 a.m. PST

And yet they were strategically defeated and were forced to withdraw.

And without the Austrians Suvorov wouldn't have done so well.

von Winterfeldt06 Feb 2018 5:17 a.m. PST

Barclay not only outwitting Boney again and again, but also being one of the driving forces of publishing the so called yellow book – not even Suvorov comes close to him

Brechtel19806 Feb 2018 9:12 a.m. PST

Barclay not only outwitting Boney again and again…

And when did that supposedly happen?

Stoppage06 Feb 2018 9:18 a.m. PST

желтая книга?

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2018 9:23 a.m. PST

Barclay de Tolly

Lapsang07 Feb 2018 12:02 p.m. PST

Tchaikovsky.

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