Tango01 | 27 Jan 2018 11:53 a.m. PST |
Reading this old and interesting review of a book, took my attention… "…One of the things that most surprised me was your contention that the use of crystal meth was widespread in the German army.
The Germans routinely encouraged their soldiers to take what we would now call crystal meth before battle. It would whip them up into a fury and may explain some of the excesses they committed. It's a way of motivating scared young men. And some of the Germans are very young indeed. I found lots of evidence of 16-year-olds being put into uniform and sent into battle.
So I think you're reaching for every possible technique to exaggerate your soldiers' combat performance. This wasn't just an SS thing. The German army was not below stooping to use drugs to increase its soldiers' effectiveness on the battlefield…." Main page link
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Fred Cartwright | 27 Jan 2018 1:51 p.m. PST |
I have read that book and IMHO it is very poor. He has a whole chapter on the mythical significance of forests to the German Volk and Hitler's fascination with Wagner etc. Trouble is, he can't show a single piece of hard evidence to support it. Hitler himself when he briefed the generals on the upcoming offensive spoke at length about the military situation and his reasons for launching the offensive and his choice of battleground, but said nothing about the forests, Wagner or anything like it. He isn't able to give a single quote from any of Hitler's entourage from their memoirs or their post war debriefs by the allies. It remains therefore idle speculation on the authors part. |
catavar | 27 Jan 2018 3:17 p.m. PST |
I've heard claims that some were given stimulants to stay awake. Seems possible to me but then I wasn't there. |
Old Peculiar | 27 Jan 2018 3:23 p.m. PST |
The use of Pervitin by the German forces is pretty well documented, a fact that was rediscovered in 2016ish and republished with typical sensationalism. The Allies also issued drugs to troops, and were certainly still doing so during my service in the 80s |
yankincan | 27 Jan 2018 4:22 p.m. PST |
Yup, there was an account of it published in the Readers Digest "The Canadians at War" published 1969! |
mikeda | 28 Jan 2018 12:05 a.m. PST |
There was a show about it on the military channel/American hero's channel. The story I like was on the eastern front an ss company shot off all their ammunition durning a night attack that never happened. |
ScottWashburn | 28 Jan 2018 5:25 a.m. PST |
Monty's 8th Army was supplied with drugs (amphetamines?) to keep them awake during major operations. (Or so it said in Rick Atkinson's "An Army at Dawn".) |
Fred Cartwright | 28 Jan 2018 6:12 a.m. PST |
Yes the use of Methamphetamine by the Germans is old news. The "new" perspectives in this book don't amount to anything. |
Legion 4 | 28 Jan 2018 9:22 a.m. PST |
Yes, I'd agree … pretty much very "old news" … |
Milhouse | 28 Jan 2018 6:49 p.m. PST |
I read it last year. It's ok. I am currently reading John Eisenhower's "The Bitter Woods". Much more enjoyable. "A Time For Trumpets" is up next . |
GreenLeader | 28 Jan 2018 10:45 p.m. PST |
Not really much different from giving the lads a swig of rum or whisky before ordering them to go 'over the top'. Same principal. |
forrester | 30 Jan 2018 3:29 p.m. PST |
The young soldiers of the 12th SS got chocolate… |
Old Contemptibles | 30 Jan 2018 4:33 p.m. PST |
Probably part of the reason that the tobacco companies and the military made sure every soldiers kit included cigarettes. Giving uppers to soldiers is old news. I remember talking about it in a college history class back in the late 70s, |
deephorse | 31 Jan 2018 3:50 a.m. PST |
"Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find:- One forty-five caliber automatic - Two boxes of ammunition - Four days' concentrated emergency rations - One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills - One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible - One hundred dollars in rubles - One hundred dollars in gold - Nine packs of chewing gum - One issue of prophylactics - Three lipsticks - Three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff." |
Legion 4 | 31 Jan 2018 7:51 a.m. PST |
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deephorse | 31 Jan 2018 9:46 a.m. PST |
As I recall "Russian" was pronounced "Rooshian". |
Tango01 | 31 Jan 2018 11:28 a.m. PST |
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Mserafin | 31 Jan 2018 11:37 a.m. PST |
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Legion 4 | 01 Feb 2018 7:50 a.m. PST |
As I recall "Russian" was pronounced "Rooshian". Or "Russkie" … |
deephorse | 01 Feb 2018 11:36 a.m. PST |
Nope, it was "Rooshian", I just checked. |
Legion 4 | 01 Feb 2018 4:26 p.m. PST |
I've got to watch that movie again … |
deephorse | 02 Feb 2018 2:58 a.m. PST |
He said Russkie in a different scene. |
Legion 4 | 02 Feb 2018 7:55 a.m. PST |
Ah ! Got it ! Thanks ! |