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Sho Boki26 Jan 2018 8:47 a.m. PST

2018 Mass Army Project. 1792 Prussian Infantry. The battle of Valmy.

Wich kaskets are better to do?

With quadrated corners..

.. or with rounded corners?


Here I try to achieve that the shape of gaiters looks like on Courcelle's paintings.

Also I noted, that Prussian and Russian (Suvorov) basic uniforms are the same. Differ only equipment and hats. So I may use the Prussian doll for Suvorov's troops also.

von Winterfeldt26 Jan 2018 9:05 a.m. PST

the top of the gaiters look almost like cavalry boots, I would shape them a bit closer to the leg and not extentending in a trumpet form outwards.
I would leave the hat as it is.

Sho Boki26 Jan 2018 9:14 a.m. PST

Here the gaiters shows to be only with half-knee length.

von Winterfeldt27 Jan 2018 12:34 a.m. PST

better look at the contemporary prints like Thieme, the top rim of the gaiters was just covering the knee cap

Sho Boki27 Jan 2018 3:23 a.m. PST

The gaiters "Trumpet form" disappear, when figure get pants, I suppose.

von Winterfeldt27 Jan 2018 4:08 a.m. PST

ok – I didn't realize that they still have to be added, so lets see when the breeches are suclpted

Sho Boki28 Jan 2018 6:49 a.m. PST

Now better?

von Winterfeldt28 Jan 2018 8:49 a.m. PST

by all means yes

Three Armies29 Jan 2018 5:56 a.m. PST

They look fine to me, I'm sculpting the same thing atm but in 28mm of course. Always difficult when showing masters on here. The other issue that people have is the size, everyone will tell you they should be small which is correct. But then they assume that wargames figures are proportionally correct which they are NOT, if they were you would never cast them. The Kasket is fine as it is, keep up the good work.

von Winterfeldt29 Jan 2018 6:07 a.m. PST

Just a side note – is this a musket with rings? Prussian army did not fix their barrels on the old Prussian musket with rings, also the bayonet should be longer and not as a French one.

Sho Boki29 Jan 2018 9:37 a.m. PST

Thanks, von Winterfeldt. I will remove the rings.

Three Armies, it is helpful to show masters here. People can see mistakes I don't noticed by myself and I may correct these, before too late. Just like the rings of musket.

Sho Boki31 Jan 2018 10:46 a.m. PST

von Winterfeldt31 Jan 2018 1:02 p.m. PST

great, looking forward to see the cartridge box.

Sho Boki02 Feb 2018 2:25 a.m. PST

Cartridge box..

Sho Boki14 Feb 2018 8:27 a.m. PST

Cuff and gaiter buttons..

von Winterfeldt14 Feb 2018 12:31 p.m. PST

great effort

Sho Boki18 Feb 2018 2:46 a.m. PST

HP2Sport Inactive Member18 Feb 2018 7:37 a.m. PST

Liking these. Well done Sir.

von Winterfeldt18 Feb 2018 8:45 a.m. PST

nice indeed

Sho Boki24 Feb 2018 6:06 a.m. PST

Thanks! :-)

Drummer..

Do they haved back pockets, vW?
On paintings I can see at least buttons for horizontal pocket, but your sculpts are without pockets.

von Winterfeldt24 Feb 2018 7:45 a.m. PST

yes it should have, please check again on the holders for the drum sticks – they should be lengthwise and not across

Sho Boki24 Feb 2018 8:47 a.m. PST

They are lengthwise. May be I should add more relief.
There are two types of holders, as I see.
Narrow one, and then there will be only one strip across the Drum belt, or big one with edges (for light infantry) as I sculpted.

Sho Boki28 Feb 2018 12:16 p.m. PST

von Winterfeldt28 Feb 2018 12:38 p.m. PST

great, – very nice progress

Sho Boki01 Mar 2018 12:12 p.m. PST

Trooper doll is ready..
I thinked, do sculpt musket sling or not.
But it is there now.

von Winterfeldt01 Mar 2018 12:57 p.m. PST

looks very good – sling looks convincing as well.

Sho Boki27 Mar 2018 6:40 a.m. PST

Little progress with command figures..
Drummer and flagbearer miss only gaiter buttons.

von Winterfeldt30 Mar 2018 6:36 a.m. PST

I would prefer an adult drummer and not a drummer boy, don't know even if the Prussians had them – hopefully you do an NCO as well.

Sho Boki02 Apr 2018 7:24 a.m. PST

This is not boy, but man in normal height. Other are picked tall men to be comparable with AB 18mm figures.

Question: are the officer's tail of coat correct?
I sculpted this after your sculpt, but seems may be too wider here?

von Winterfeldt02 Apr 2018 8:41 a.m. PST

Not too wide but a bit too long, your tails faill over the knee – compare to the rear view of my sculpt, you should still see rear bent of the knee – otherwise very nice.

Sho Boki02 Apr 2018 11:55 a.m. PST

Now better?

von Winterfeldt04 Apr 2018 1:43 a.m. PST

yes indeed, looks great

Sho Boki17 Apr 2018 3:45 a.m. PST

Final version, but von Winterfeldt don't decided yet – it will be with or without cockade.

summerfield Inactive Member17 Apr 2018 3:49 a.m. PST

Wonderful. Reminds me that I need to write another book on Prussians.

von Winterfeldt17 Apr 2018 3:51 a.m. PST

with cockade and staragraffe please

Sho Boki17 Apr 2018 4:56 a.m. PST

What is staragraffe?

von Winterfeldt17 Apr 2018 9:08 a.m. PST

I write directly in due course

Sho Boki17 Apr 2018 9:33 a.m. PST

This cockade is acceptable?

Sho Boki20 Apr 2018 6:33 a.m. PST

I uploaded new image of agraffe and cockade in previous post, now acceptable?

Three Armies20 Apr 2018 5:01 p.m. PST

looking good matey

von Winterfeldt22 Apr 2018 10:47 a.m. PST

I was away, very nice.

Sho Boki06 May 2018 12:27 p.m. PST

Trooper got backpack.

von Winterfeldt07 May 2018 4:53 a.m. PST

Hi
He needs a bread bag as well, over the bread bad then the "hip" back – nice size of it and as usual crisp sculpting

Sho Boki01 Jul 2018 6:33 a.m. PST

Trooper Dolls casted..

Sho Boki05 Jul 2018 2:01 a.m. PST

Which may be the percentage of grenadiers and füsiliers in set?

Chad4705 Jul 2018 3:02 a.m. PST

Boki

If I recall, Grenadiers were a separate battalion within a 3 battalion regiment. I do not think there were significant variations in their uniform. Fusiliers were separate single battalion units. Again I am not sure if there were any significant uniform variations. I am sure VW will correct or add to this note.

Chad

Sho Boki05 Jul 2018 3:51 a.m. PST

Visible differences here are the hat and cartridge box badges and different plume for grenadiers.
By your suggestion the proportions will be 50%, 25% and 25%.
So if there are 12 troopers in the mould (set), then 6 of them will be musketeers, 3 grenadiers and 3 füsiliers.

Allan F Mountford05 Jul 2018 7:02 a.m. PST

From Hofschroer's 'Prussian Line Infantry 1792-1815':

'From 1 June 1787, an infantry regiment was to consist of one Grenadier Battalion and two of Musketeers, each of four companies. A company consisted of 12 NCOs, 140 men and three drummers. […] Each company also had ten Schuetzen.'

Sho Boki05 Jul 2018 7:47 a.m. PST

Faces on.
So left 3 will be grenadiers and right 3 füsiliers.
Others will be musketeers as many mould can take.
I hope that this cover all possible demand optimally.

Chad4705 Jul 2018 9:21 a.m. PST

I tnihk fusiliers were mainly used in a skirmishing role and do not feel a marching position would look appropriate in that role.

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