"BOKI 1792 Prussian Infantry" Topic

2018 Mass Army Project. 1792 Prussian Infantry. The battle of Valmy.

Wich kaskets are better to do?

With quadrated corners..

.. or with rounded corners?

Here I try to achieve that the shape of gaiters looks like on Courcelle's paintings.

Also I noted, that Prussian and Russian (Suvorov) basic uniforms are the same. Differ only equipment and hats. So I may use the Prussian doll for Suvorov's troops also.

the top of the gaiters look almost like cavalry boots, I would shape them a bit closer to the leg and not extentending in a trumpet form outwards.
I would leave the hat as it is.

Here the gaiters shows to be only with half-knee length.

better look at the contemporary prints like Thieme, the top rim of the gaiters was just covering the knee cap

The gaiters "Trumpet form" disappear, when figure get pants, I suppose.

ok – I didn't realize that they still have to be added, so lets see when the breeches are suclpted

Now better?

by all means yes

They look fine to me, I'm sculpting the same thing atm but in 28mm of course. Always difficult when showing masters on here. The other issue that people have is the size, everyone will tell you they should be small which is correct. But then they assume that wargames figures are proportionally correct which they are NOT, if they were you would never cast them. The Kasket is fine as it is, keep up the good work.

Just a side note – is this a musket with rings? Prussian army did not fix their barrels on the old Prussian musket with rings, also the bayonet should be longer and not as a French one.

Thanks, von Winterfeldt. I will remove the rings.

Three Armies, it is helpful to show masters here. People can see mistakes I don't noticed by myself and I may correct these, before too late. Just like the rings of musket.

great, looking forward to see the cartridge box.

Cartridge box..

Cuff and gaiter buttons..

great effort

Liking these. Well done Sir.

nice indeed

Thanks! :-)

Drummer..

Do they haved back pockets, vW?
On paintings I can see at least buttons for horizontal pocket, but your sculpts are without pockets.

yes it should have, please check again on the holders for the drum sticks – they should be lengthwise and not across

They are lengthwise. May be I should add more relief.
There are two types of holders, as I see.
Narrow one, and then there will be only one strip across the Drum belt, or big one with edges (for light infantry) as I sculpted.

great, – very nice progress

Trooper doll is ready..
I thinked, do sculpt musket sling or not.
But it is there now.

looks very good – sling looks convincing as well.

Little progress with command figures..
Drummer and flagbearer miss only gaiter buttons.

I would prefer an adult drummer and not a drummer boy, don't know even if the Prussians had them – hopefully you do an NCO as well.

This is not boy, but man in normal height. Other are picked tall men to be comparable with AB 18mm figures.

Question: are the officer's tail of coat correct?
I sculpted this after your sculpt, but seems may be too wider here?

Not too wide but a bit too long, your tails faill over the knee – compare to the rear view of my sculpt, you should still see rear bent of the knee – otherwise very nice.

Now better?

yes indeed, looks great

Final version, but von Winterfeldt don't decided yet – it will be with or without cockade.

Wonderful. Reminds me that I need to write another book on Prussians.

with cockade and staragraffe please

What is staragraffe?

I write directly in due course

This cockade is acceptable?

I uploaded new image of agraffe and cockade in previous post, now acceptable?

looking good matey

I was away, very nice.

Trooper got backpack.

Hi
He needs a bread bag as well, over the bread bad then the "hip" back – nice size of it and as usual crisp sculpting

Trooper Dolls casted..

Which may be the percentage of grenadiers and füsiliers in set?

Boki

If I recall, Grenadiers were a separate battalion within a 3 battalion regiment. I do not think there were significant variations in their uniform. Fusiliers were separate single battalion units. Again I am not sure if there were any significant uniform variations. I am sure VW will correct or add to this note.

Chad

Visible differences here are the hat and cartridge box badges and different plume for grenadiers.
By your suggestion the proportions will be 50%, 25% and 25%.
So if there are 12 troopers in the mould (set), then 6 of them will be musketeers, 3 grenadiers and 3 füsiliers.

From Hofschroer's 'Prussian Line Infantry 1792-1815':

'From 1 June 1787, an infantry regiment was to consist of one Grenadier Battalion and two of Musketeers, each of four companies. A company consisted of 12 NCOs, 140 men and three drummers. […] Each company also had ten Schuetzen.'

Faces on.
So left 3 will be grenadiers and right 3 füsiliers.
Others will be musketeers as many mould can take.
I hope that this cover all possible demand optimally.

I tnihk fusiliers were mainly used in a skirmishing role and do not feel a marching position would look appropriate in that role.