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15mm and 28mm Fanatik20 Jan 2018 3:38 p.m. PST

Since I think Team Yankee's 2nd Marines Air Support shouldn't be readily available to Army and I wanted a cheaper option to A-10's if the need arises, I bought 4x Trumpeter 1/144 F-16's and 8x OzMods Rockeye cluster bombs to substitute for the Harrier Attack Flight. The points cost is exactly the same but I had to replace the Harrier's 30mm Aden with the Viper's 20mm Vulcan and reduce its Anti-Tank stat by 1 (which matches the AH-1 Cobra's 20mm gun).

Though the Viper isn't a "Jump Jet," I'm keeping this special rule (3+ roll to appear) by calling it "Drop Tanks" instead. I'm paying the same points so I'm not going to change it to a 4+, especially when I also knocked the "Courage" down by 1 to match the A-10's (guess air force ground pounders don't stick their necks out like Marine pilots).

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Generalstoner4920 Jan 2018 4:53 p.m. PST

The F-16 should really be available and be one of the main ground support aircraft available to NATO. I personally also think that the German ground attack option should not have been the Tornado but either the Starfighter or Alpha Jet which were the main ground attack aircraft available to the front.

Tgunner20 Jan 2018 4:54 p.m. PST

Good idea for sure. The Army could use another fixed wing bird for air support.

Katzbalger20 Jan 2018 5:13 p.m. PST

Are there F/A-18 stats for the Marines?


Louie N20 Jan 2018 7:21 p.m. PST

A-7s would have been cool too…

15mm and 28mm Fanatik20 Jan 2018 9:06 p.m. PST

Marine Hornets and SLUF's are cool but TY doesn't have rules for them. If they're going to be Harrier substitutes for Marine air support, why bother because they will be exactly the same as Harriers in game terms.

I only wanted the Vipers because the air force is much more likely to provide CAS to army grunts than Marine Air. I can use A-10's of course, but to bring in a pair of Warthogs would cost 10 points, more than the cost of four Harriers (6 points). I already have four A-10's but wanted a cheaper option in games where I don't have much points left for air support.

Jaymz LaFlam11 May 2018 7:01 a.m. PST

Please repost? :)

15mm and 28mm Fanatik14 May 2018 8:46 p.m. PST

Your wish is my command.



Lion in the Stars15 May 2018 3:34 p.m. PST

Wouldn't the F-4 Phantom have been the primary air-to-ground bird in 1985?

15mm and 28mm Fanatik16 May 2018 12:40 p.m. PST

Maybe, and I considered that. But the F-16 entered service with USAFE in the early '80s and should be in sufficient numbers by 1985 replacing the Phantom. Also, the 1/144 Trumpeter F-16 kit is much better than the 1/144 Academy F-4E kit.

Another reason is that this F-16 is intended as a substitute for the low cost USMC Harrier (3 points apiece, while the superior A-10 costs 10) in TY and is closer in configuration. Both are single-seat, single-engined birds with a similar payload capacity. In the game it only carries a couple of Rockeyes. The F-4 is a more conventional "bomb truck" and would be overkill as a Harrier stand-in.

I do love the twin-seat Rhinos though.

Lion in the Stars17 May 2018 5:48 p.m. PST

Fair point about the configuration not matching up very well.

F-4s would probably make a decent substitution for an A-10, similar bombload. Shame about the wimpier gun, though. (There's an A10 squadron at my airport, they occasionally put on impromptu air shows when civilian traffic isn't too high. And they also often host the "HawgSmoke" competition for A10 squadrons)

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