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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Jan 2018 7:15 p.m. PST

On a scale from 0 (not at all) to 10 (enormously!).

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 7:22 p.m. PST

It doesn't keep me up at night but I sure don't like it. Maybe an 8?

21eRegt13 Jan 2018 7:36 p.m. PST

9 – genuinely bothers me.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 7:50 p.m. PST

Say an 8. Some of my 15mm forces are a mess and would be hard to fix, and the incompatibility of the various manufacturers really limits my options in 5/6mm.

Still, the problem diminishes as I keep shedding armies.

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 8:23 p.m. PST

It's just wrong; it doesn't need a scale to quantify it. I am shocked to see what used to be regarded as 25mm figures back in the day re-categorized as 20mm or 1/72 because of the scale creep in what is labelled 25mm or 28mm.


whitphoto Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 8:25 p.m. PST


john snelling13 Jan 2018 8:25 p.m. PST

2 people are different sizes.

Scum123413 Jan 2018 8:54 p.m. PST

8 But massed produce weapons and equipment ARE the same size.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 9:28 p.m. PST

10 all the way. I would be much happier if all my colonials would match RalPartha. As is, I have the Spanish American war collection from Old Glory and everything else is to small to match. All the Zulu war figures that could have been added to the collection that would never be compatible.

goragrad13 Jan 2018 9:34 p.m. PST


Here are some photos of Xyston Classical Indian swordsman vs Minifig, OG15, and Essex -




The Xyston figures would be Goliath to the Essex.

If I had them to hand, I am sure they would top my old Minifig 20s.

And then having Xyston psiloi that make the Theban hoplites look like adolescents really put me off Xyston.

It is one thing to have different lines with different definitions but when it occurs within a manufacturer's own products…

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 10:21 p.m. PST


Winston Smith13 Jan 2018 11:28 p.m. PST

4. Somewhat annoying, but I can cope.

Black Cavalier14 Jan 2018 12:07 a.m. PST

Scale creep has never bothered me. They have good customer service and Mark seems like a very nice guy

evilgong14 Jan 2018 12:37 a.m. PST

3. There are some superb sculpts that I'd like to use but are way bigger than their nominal scale and just won't fit with some of my existing figs.

Not a problem if I know in advance and can avoid them.


Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 2:38 a.m. PST


I tend to buy complete armies at one time for at least one set of opposing armies in any period I game.

I usually try to get them all from one manufacturer or those that are very similar to avoid compatibility issues.

After that I usually have no need to expand because I bought everything I needed.

Personal logo x42brown Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 3:31 a.m. PST

8 I can put up with it but don't like it


Bandolier14 Jan 2018 4:09 a.m. PST

2 – not so much

Durban Gamer14 Jan 2018 4:12 a.m. PST

10 I resist it and view it as a gimmick. Eg with my 15mm collections I absolutely refuse to purchase 18mm.

14Bore14 Jan 2018 5:21 a.m. PST

18mm are a bit much to me for 15mm, 8

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 5:44 a.m. PST

Across the industry – 2
Within a Manufacturer – 10

Humans have a wide swath of different body morphologies. That doesn't mean that every figure labeled X Scale looks good with every other figure labeled X Scale. It means that humans have a wide swath of different body morphologies. Even within local groups.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 5:50 a.m. PST

7 for me, I just wish people would choose a scale and stick to it!!!

jeffreyw314 Jan 2018 6:09 a.m. PST


Glengarry514 Jan 2018 6:16 a.m. PST

8… even figures by the same sculptor/manufacturer in the same figure line suffer from scale creep but I accept it because, well, what can you do about it?

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 6:17 a.m. PST


martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 6:47 a.m. PST

5. It is just crass commercialism, showing a short term understanding of the hobby. It might also reflect an inability to measure?

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 7:33 a.m. PST

9 no reason for it other than trying to prevent you from buying another manufacturer's figures. Or perhaps an indication that a sculptor or manufacturer doesn't believe their product is good enough to compete in the marketplace.

rustymusket14 Jan 2018 7:47 a.m. PST

9 as DW says above.

Texas Jack14 Jan 2018 8:34 a.m. PST

1, although a 10 if I mistakenly buy figures that don't go. grin

Legion 414 Jan 2018 8:38 a.m. PST

Depends on the army … but I just do sci-fi these days. So it is generally not that big a deal save sometimes for humans … evil grin

Lucius14 Jan 2018 10:52 a.m. PST

There is no such thing as scale creep. 1:72, 1/48, 1/144 don't change. Plastic modelers and railroaders don't have this problem. Releases that are not to scale die off quickly.

SIZE creep, OTOH, bothers me some. It is a shame that in the early days of our hobby, 25mm was chosen as a standard size, instead of picking a real scale. Most of our problems stem from that decision.

attilathepun4714 Jan 2018 12:07 p.m. PST

10. I absolutely loath scale creep, and refuse to buy from any manufacturer which I believe to have engaged in it deliberately. I agree with those who think it's usually done deliberately to try to force customers not to buy anything from competing firms. Personally, I think that is short-sighted and stupid because of the number of people (like me) who will be permanently alienated.

Dagwood14 Jan 2018 12:10 p.m. PST

Railroaders have a different problem, in that buildings and similar are often deliberately smaller than scale (to leave more room for the trains ?). That includes people AFAIKT, figures often look too small to me.

Dagwood14 Jan 2018 12:12 p.m. PST

Scale creep may have originally been partly to put more detail into the figures. The best sculptors didn't need it, of course.

There is also a psychological aspect – larger figures look more powerful than their smaller opponents !

Cacique Caribe14 Jan 2018 2:45 p.m. PST

I've never had any problems with Scale Creep. I buy from Mark all the time. :)


pvernon Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 2:51 p.m. PST

+1 – Scum1234

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 3:01 p.m. PST

+1 to Black Cavalier and Cacique Caribe!


Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 4:35 p.m. PST

10, I like my figures to be the "right" size. I get that people vary in size and shape, but helmets, canteens, rifles, bazookas are usually to a standard size and having as much as a 50% variation in figures the same scale is annoying.

I often don't buy figures that just don't match up with the rest. I don't understand at a time when we have 10mm and 12mm and 15mm and 18mm and 20mm and 22mm and 25mm figures why companies want to make something else.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
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Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2018 5:33 p.m. PST


Dave Crowell15 Jan 2018 10:14 a.m. PST

3. Different manufacturers have been making different size figures ostensibly in the same "scale" for at least 40 years. I have found that one the tabe top in the heat of game with painted figures, terrain, etc I don't even notice.

I played an F&IW game with Redoubt giants and Conquest mixed together and it was halfway through before I even noticed that a fair few of the Indians had been primed white and given a brown wash, not even fully painted. The figure size difference was not at all noticeable.

14th NJ Vol Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2018 4:32 p.m. PST

6 or 7. I bought some 15mm figures that don't match up well with the existing figures I have, they're noticeably too small. They look terrible next to the rest of my collection.

Haven't used them in a game. So maybe I am really at an 8 or 9.

Mick the Metalsmith16 Jan 2018 8:48 a.m. PST

Good one MiniMo!

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2018 9:57 a.m. PST


Beowulf Supporting Member of TMP Fezian16 Jan 2018 2:43 p.m. PST


Black Hat Miniatures17 Jan 2018 9:06 a.m. PST

I am with Dave Crowell – on the table the size difference is not that noticeable for most figures. I am not bothered by it as I buy figures to play games with not photograph at eye level and show on the internet….


Lost Wolf17 Jan 2018 9:27 p.m. PST

It bothers me – a lot – 9.5

Personal logo DWilliams Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 6:44 p.m. PST

Can I go above 10? It sends me into conniption fits on a daily basis. Yes, it's really so bad that I've turned to the bottle for comfort.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP24 Jan 2018 6:31 a.m. PST


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