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Gear Pilot08 Jan 2018 3:28 p.m. PST

The Klingons in "The Undiscovered Country" accused the Federation of being a Humans Only club. Other than the shuttle Sarek in the original ST motion picture, there don't seem to be any Star Fleet ships named after non-human sources. So…

A. Yea, Star Fleet are a bunch of closet racists
B. Non-Human ship names are just translated to a close English analogue
C. No, there are plenty of examples of Star Fleet ships named from non-human sources
D. Get a life, its just a TV show

KPinder08 Jan 2018 3:37 p.m. PST

D.

How in the world would you come up with Andorrean or Tellerite (sp?) names without having to stop and explain the reference?

Stardate 12345.6, rendezvousing with USS Kraszplackl…

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 3:55 p.m. PST

Don't different planets/people have their own ships? Aside from the occasional alien crew member on the human ships. Not that I was paying that close of attention.

I would imagine any far-flung, (really) multi-cultural conglomeration of rubber-foreheaded folk would be somewhat more like the 17th century Holy Roman Empire than that lot of naive humanist sci-fi TV writers would like to believe.

mwindsorfw Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 4:46 p.m. PST

A. Speciests, not racists.

TNE230008 Jan 2018 5:07 p.m. PST

definitely D

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whill408 Jan 2018 5:26 p.m. PST

D

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 5:27 p.m. PST

Monitor or Merrimack?

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 6:25 p.m. PST

D

KeithRK08 Jan 2018 6:42 p.m. PST

In the original Star Trek series, the U.S.S. Intrepid (Constitution Class) had an entirely Vulcan crew. It was eaten by a giant space amoeba.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 6:46 p.m. PST

D,,, really???

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 7:08 p.m. PST

B- ish

Aren't some Vulcan names unpronounceable to puny humans?

So clearly, they pick names that the weakest members among the Federation species can handle. :)

Dan

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2018 7:55 p.m. PST

E. The Universal Translator turns all alien names into their English equivalents. Duh.

"Did you guys ever watch the show?"

Cyrus the Great08 Jan 2018 9:37 p.m. PST

The question has different answers depending on when the question is asked during the entire run of the Star Trek franchise.

PaddySinclair09 Jan 2018 1:36 a.m. PST

c) (ish)

English is the dominant language of the Federation (and humans are the dominant species in Starfleet), and so "concept" names like Enterprise, Intrepid, Defiant, Repulse etc whilst being terra-centric, are probably acceptable to the non-human races in the Federation. The fact that these are various historical terran ships is "coincidental" ;).

There are enough alien "name" ships cropping up, like the USS Shran, USS T'Plana Hath etc., though by necessity these have to be notable aliens we have heard of.

With Discovery, we suddenly have an awful lot of astronaut names applied to ships.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2018 1:46 a.m. PST

Don't different planets/people have their own ships? Aside from the occasional alien crew member on the human ships. Not that I was paying that close of attention.

Well the different planets have their own ships, but Starfleet ships are all "human-like" So Vulcans have their own ship(cargo ships, personal ships, shuttles)

There was also an all Vulcan ship in DS9 called T'Kumbra, doesn't sound human-centric.

Dynaman878909 Jan 2018 4:05 a.m. PST

D – and don't forget Shakespeare is best in original Klingon.

Legion 409 Jan 2018 7:09 a.m. PST

A or D depending on your "world view" … or "galactic" view ?

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2018 10:56 a.m. PST

F. Yes they are human centric and if don't like it, go join the other Federation.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2018 11:15 a.m. PST

I keep in mind that we're only looking at Star Fleet, not the Federation as a whole. Maybe all the scientific research stations have Vulcan names, but in the Fleet, the more belligerent humans predominate.

But has anyone done a Federation census? Maybe three quarters of the people with a military tradition are of Terran descent.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2018 1:28 p.m. PST

Time and time again they point out Earh and humanity is the major binding force of the federation and indeed starfleet is majority human.

Ghostrunner09 Jan 2018 2:46 p.m. PST

I guess, D.

Writers can use ship names to quickly make a reference in an episode that the audience will get with no further explanation.

Or, more conceitedly, they use a name that has some appeal to them.

U.S.S. Krit%fugle probably doesn't do either.

KPinder09 Jan 2018 3:56 p.m. PST

Which class is the Krit%fugle?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2018 6:28 p.m. PST

Sounds like an Ewok class vessel to me. Oops. Wrong universe.

Dan

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Personal logo Lost Wolf Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 11:54 a.m. PST

D

rbmgl281413 Jan 2018 3:59 p.m. PST

In light of what was established in "Enterprise", there should be a Constitution-class starship named Kumari, crewed by Andorians

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jan 2018 5:56 p.m. PST

There was also an all Vulcan ship in DS9 called T'Kumbra, doesn't sound human-centric.

"T'Kimbra" is Human-centric. It's the West Virginian interrogative for one male requesting another male friend to accompany him on a journey. Very friendly and space-faring.

Want to come, brother?
'ant to cm, bruh?
't-tuh kim bra?
T'Kimbra

Mobius13 Jan 2018 9:30 p.m. PST

Wasn't there a Klingon ship named 'Kronos'? Why are even the Klingons using human names?

Legion 414 Jan 2018 8:06 a.m. PST

Yes, the Klingons use a number of "human" or former human names and such. But again, e.g. the US military uses native American Indian names for it's some of it's helicopters, etc. … So … ?

Catoblepas17 Jan 2018 8:33 a.m. PST

Doing some research….we have:

The USS T'Kumbra, a Nebula-class ship
The USS Gorkon, a Excelsior-class ship
The USS Sarek, a Excelsior-class ship (not seen on screen)
The USS ShirKahr, a Miranda-class ship(destroyed)
The USS Sitak, a Miranda-class ship(destroyed)
The USS G'Mat, Unknown class (not seen on screen)
The USS D'hjty, Unknown class (not seen on screen)

Four of the seven are obviously Vulcan names, and one named after a Klingon(!) All of them appeared in DS9, except the Gorkon, which appeared in TNG. Three of the ships didn't even appear on screen.

STD added a few more alien-named ships, all with Vulcan names.

So a grand total of four-alien named ships ever appeared on-screen, half of which were Miranda-classes that immediately exploded. Not the best showing, to be honest…I do think they could have represented alien crews and ship names a lot better.

Legion 417 Jan 2018 1:03 p.m. PST

Good intel ! I remember some of those.

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