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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 11:47 a.m. PST

Most of the outer walls gone, and just the floors and central rooms are left standing.

A) What materials did you use?
B) How did you decide/plan which floors would have what space?
C) Did you make inner stairways to give troops access to the floors?

It's almost as if the buildings were giant boxes for soda bottles, stood up on one end, but with most of the exterior sides gone and all you basically have left is the dividers (the inserts).

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Thanks

Dan
PS. The following examples are from Donetsk (Ukraine), Chechnya, Syria and Libya.

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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 12:04 p.m. PST

Haven't done, no. Materials would depend a lot on scale, and not all would be the same. For the 2nd and 3rd images, I'm thinking in 15mm foamcore and matchsticks would about do the structure, with card floors and kitty litter rubble.

But 28mm would be more complicated. Plastic beams are expensive. Sheet Styrofoam and balsa might do your top image, but I wouldn't think much of the infantry commander who did anything but dig in at ground level.

First image and fourth on down would be more interesting tactically. At that stage, you could start gluing boxes together.

I used to pass an unfinished and abandoned Motel on I-69 which looked a little like 2 & 3.

28mm Fanatik27 Dec 2017 12:04 p.m. PST

Check these out: link

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 12:38 p.m. PST

Some people can make everything look easy, even making dividers out of regular corrugated cardboard:
YouTube link

This lady made an organizer out of black foam board, and I think it would look just fine as a terrain piece, once you "damage" it of course:
YouTube link

I guess the problem would be to build one without any of the supporting outer pieces (or most of them) that could stand on its own.

Dan

Lion in the Stars27 Dec 2017 4:13 p.m. PST

You'd need to get creative for modern steel construction. I call it "posts and plates", you have steel posts holing up the floors, and the outer wall is purely decorative.

Fortunately, most of the steel beams get covered in concrete or some fire-retardant material, turning them into simple square posts. So square-section rods will work for your uprights, and then you can use foamed PVC or foamcore for the floors and walls.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 4:46 p.m. PST

Lion

When you say "foamed PVC" are you referring to the flexible craft foam sheets?

Thanks

Dan

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 5:29 p.m. PST

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Just… Wow.

If something like those were available in 15mm, I'd be on them in a heartbeat, GBP/AUD exchange rate be damned.

Duck

Edited to add:

From the looks of it, I'd welcome just about everything they've got in the catalog, if done in 15mm…

Re-Ducked

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 5:41 p.m. PST

Duck

I would snatch them up for sure if they were 15mm, despite all the exterior walls.

Dan

zoneofcontrol27 Dec 2017 6:26 p.m. PST

Look at the old Kenner Girder & Panel Sets:
girderandpanel.net

Fieldworks in the UK has some modernish ruins:
fieldworks.org.uk/15mm.htm

GameCraft Minis has some MDF kits:
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The Fieldworks and GameCraft are 15mm. The Kenner sets might be larger, had some in my youth back in the 1960s and used Matchbox cars with them. Maybe closer to 1/64 or 1/72 ???

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 9:04 a.m. PST

The irony of the two stylish women walking past the ruined apartments is overwhelming.

Tgunner28 Dec 2017 11:49 a.m. PST

Even at the end of the world as we know it there are girls that wanna have fun…

Great ideas CC. You definitely have me looking at boxes differently!

DyeHard28 Dec 2017 1:20 p.m. PST

The old trick was to convert figure trays into ruins:

Start with this type of thing:

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Or you can start with shipping box type cardboard:

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As explained here:
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Or sheets of foam:

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And get things like this:

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This type of things is the subject of many web sites:
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Lion in the Stars28 Dec 2017 2:06 p.m. PST

The brand name for the foamed PVC sheet I bought is Sintra. It is flexible (you can roll that 4x8 sheet into a 2'tube), but once you glue it into a square box it is incredibly sturdy.

It's the same stuff that Plastcraft uses for their terrain.

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 6:05 p.m. PST

@zoneofcontrol:

Thanks for those links. I've actually saved a GameCraft bookmark, but had forgotten it… Fieldworks was a new one to me though.

Duck

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 6:08 p.m. PST

On a separate note, since the thread diverted slightly that direction…

Anyone have a CURRENT RELIABLE source for EXTRUDED styrofoam sheet in Sydney (besides Ekersley's)

Google-fu is failing me.

Duck

capt jimmi Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2018 5:30 a.m. PST

Is this what you are looking for in 15mm Dan and Duck ?

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….it wouldn't take much to base and texture them up more and/or add rubble if you wanted to .

40% off sale !

Personal logo DuckanCover Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2018 9:42 p.m. PST

capt jimmi

A belated thanks for that link!

I've just been searching some old bookmarks (and cursing the number of "There is no Topic with this ID number." I've encountered) when I stumbled upon your reply.

Plainly (for a variety of reasons) I should check my bookmarked topics more frequently…

Edited to add:

Extra thanks! Quite a lot of ready made goodies there. Don't know how I could have missed them.

Duck

Legion 412 Apr 2018 7:30 a.m. PST

Kind'a like that in 6mm … "Legiongrad" …

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infojunky12 Apr 2018 5:31 p.m. PST

I did broken slabs of concrete walls usinf an appropriate colored mix of sculpy. Rolled out a wall and baked it, then broke and chipped the cured slabs.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2018 5:14 a.m. PST

Found more photos of ruined buildings with NO exterior walls

Dan

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Legion 403 May 2018 7:22 a.m. PST

"Urban Renewal" … Mid East style. Is that Syria or Iraq ? Or both ?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2018 9:45 a.m. PST

Syria, I think.

Breezy buildings, right? No walls, which is the effect I was asking about.

Dan

Legion 404 May 2018 1:33 p.m. PST

Most of those will have to be torn down and new structures built. They are so badly damaged, they could be very unstable even if repaired.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2018 2:49 a.m. PST

Legion 4

In some areas those repairs have already begun. So the next quake or bomb will end up having truly catastrophic effects on the occupants.

Dan

Legion 408 May 2018 6:22 a.m. PST

I don't doubt such "folly" … And when it happens the media will be all over it. Some how blaming the US or Europe or the West in general for not doing more !!!! evil grin

Even if much of the damage was done by Syria and/or the Russians and ISIS, etc., of course … huh?

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