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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 2:52 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Who knows and could publish on this forum a battle order as complete as possible for each of the belligerents delivering the battle of MOHCS the August 29, 1526 ?

Thank you.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2017 12:18 a.m. PST

This battle is so unknown that ?

Leadjunky Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2017 8:46 a.m. PST

Well yes. It did not have any British troops involved. One would think someone might have some information on the Austrian/Bavarian side. The Ottomans might be a little more difficult to locate. I seem to remember a OOB/scenario write up in an old Miniature Wargames issue. I will see if I can locate it, but I am not sure it was all that accurate.

Leadjunky Supporting Member of TMP24 Dec 2017 6:31 p.m. PST

Looking through my notes it was not Mohacs after all. Battle does describe a large cavalry wing for the Turks. You probably would not be far off with a generic force of about a third to half horse. Probably 2/3 of that heavier with the rest irregular or tartar and about 1/4 to 1/3 of infantry maybe janissary.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP25 Dec 2017 10:30 a.m. PST

Austrian/Bavarian side ?

Puster Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 3:50 p.m. PST

Full levy of the Hungarians, with a large core of their nobles, and a typical Osman force. I have some recounts of the battle somewhere where you can draw conclusions upon the oob, but you can proably dig out the same with Wikipedia.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 11:41 a.m. PST

For now the best for this battle is my old book by Sir Charles Oman:
"A History of the Art of War in the Sixteenth Century (1937)"

Leadjunky Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2017 7:45 p.m. PST

I see that I should have better read your post sorry. Although there were perhaps some Austrian and more likely Bavarian troops at the battle, it was for the later battle to which I was referring.

I imagine the Hungarian levies may not have been, but has anyone run across any references to mercenary pike? I see what appears to be a pike block depicted in what seems to be a painting of the battle.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2017 12:43 a.m. PST

Alas,for this battle as for that of Kossovo Pole of the 15 June 1389, little or no documentation …

Daniel S30 Dec 2017 2:22 p.m. PST

For up to date and well researched information on the order of battles for Mohacs 1526 you will have to look at books & articles by Hungarian and Turkish historians. Their work is commonly neglected by English language works, probably due to the language barrier.

As start is looking at academia.edu were you for example can find articles by Janos B Szabo who has written a fair bit about the subject. link

As for Oman he is close to useless as he relied on very few sources that were then distorted by being put through the filter of his "interpretation" and his filling out the gaps with conjecture and "educated" guesses.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2017 12:16 a.m. PST

Thank you for the link,there are some who will be happy when they learn that Oman is supposedly (only for Mohcs?) close to useless…

Puster Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2018 4:42 a.m. PST

Not only for Mohacs. His usage of sources is very selective, and he fills it up with "best educated guess" often without telling you where and how. You have to read him with his historical and political background in mind.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP02 Jan 2018 1:46 p.m. PST

In any case it gives good reconstructions of the battles of the wars of French religions – for example – since it re-copies the sources of the various authors it names individually, one can not do better …

Puster Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2018 7:10 a.m. PST

As start is looking at academia.edu

Is membership there worth it?
I regularly get mails from them, but whenever I try to read a worthy article they ask me for a membership (around $80 USD/year).

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2018 8:44 a.m. PST

Puster , who is asking you for money ?

Druzhina04 Jan 2018 10:35 p.m. PST

I am a non-paying member of academia.edu. I haven't needed to pay yet for anything I have read there.

Druzhina
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Puster Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2018 3:03 a.m. PST

Whenever I try to do a search the site asks me to join them for premium membership something that usually makes me leave a site for good. Perhaps my unwillingness to use Facebook or Google (or scripts from these sites unless I am directly there) to log in has something to do with that.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2018 10:29 a.m. PST

I only give money to TMP for services rendered …

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