Paskal  | 14 Dec 2017 2:52 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone, Who knows and could publish on this forum a battle order as complete as possible for each of the belligerents delivering the battle of MOHÀCS the August 29, 1526 ? Thank you. |
| Paskal | 21 Dec 2017 12:18 a.m. PST |
This battle is so unknown that ? |
| Leadjunky | 24 Dec 2017 8:46 a.m. PST |
Well yes. It did not have any British troops involved. One would think someone might have some information on the Austrian/Bavarian side. The Ottomans might be a little more difficult to locate. I seem to remember a OOB/scenario write up in an old Miniature Wargames issue. I will see if I can locate it, but I am not sure it was all that accurate. |
| Leadjunky | 24 Dec 2017 6:31 p.m. PST |
Looking through my notes it was not Mohacs after all. Battle does describe a large cavalry wing for the Turks. You probably would not be far off with a generic force of about a third to half horse. Probably 2/3 of that heavier with the rest irregular or tartar and about 1/4 to 1/3 of infantry maybe janissary. |
| Paskal | 25 Dec 2017 10:30 a.m. PST |
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Puster  | 27 Dec 2017 3:50 p.m. PST |
Full levy of the Hungarians, with a large core of their nobles, and a typical Osman force. I have some recounts of the battle somewhere where you can draw conclusions upon the oob, but you can proably dig out the same with Wikipedia. |
| Paskal | 28 Dec 2017 11:41 a.m. PST |
For now the best for this battle is my old book by Sir Charles Oman:
"A History of the Art of War in the Sixteenth Century (1937)" |
| Leadjunky | 29 Dec 2017 7:45 p.m. PST |
I see that I should have better read your post sorry. Although there were perhaps some Austrian and more likely Bavarian troops at the battle, it was for the later battle to which I was referring. I imagine the Hungarian levies may not have been, but has anyone run across any references to mercenary pike? I see what appears to be a pike block depicted in what seems to be a painting of the battle. |
| Paskal | 30 Dec 2017 12:43 a.m. PST |
Alas,for this battle as for that of Kossovo Pole of the 15 June 1389, little or no documentation … |
| Daniel S | 30 Dec 2017 2:22 p.m. PST |
For up to date and well researched information on the order of battles for Mohacs 1526 you will have to look at books & articles by Hungarian and Turkish historians. Their work is commonly neglected by English language works, probably due to the language barrier. As start is looking at academia.edu were you for example can find articles by Janos B Szabo who has written a fair bit about the subject. link As for Oman he is close to useless as he relied on very few sources that were then distorted by being put through the filter of his "interpretation" and his filling out the gaps with conjecture and "educated" guesses. |
| Paskal | 31 Dec 2017 12:16 a.m. PST |
Thank you for the link,there are some who will be happy when they learn that Oman is supposedly (only for Mohàcs?) close to useless… |
| Puster | 01 Jan 2018 4:42 a.m. PST |
Not only for Mohacs. His usage of sources is very selective, and he fills it up with "best educated guess" often without telling you where and how. You have to read him with his historical and political background in mind. |
| Paskal | 02 Jan 2018 1:46 p.m. PST |
In any case it gives good reconstructions of the battles of the wars of French religions – for example – since it re-copies the sources of the various authors it names individually, one can not do better … |
| Puster | 03 Jan 2018 7:10 a.m. PST |
As start is looking at academia.edu Is membership there worth it?
I regularly get mails from them, but whenever I try to read a worthy article they ask me for a membership (around $80 USD/year). |
| Paskal | 04 Jan 2018 8:44 a.m. PST |
Puster , who is asking you for money ? |
| Druzhina | 04 Jan 2018 10:35 p.m. PST |
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| Puster | 05 Jan 2018 3:03 a.m. PST |
Whenever I try to do a search the site asks me to join them for premium membership – something that usually makes me leave a site for good. Perhaps my unwillingness to use Facebook or Google (or scripts from these sites unless I am directly there) to log in has something to do with that. |
| Paskal | 05 Jan 2018 10:29 a.m. PST |
I only give money to TMP for services rendered … |
| Paskal | 11 May 2018 11:09 p.m. PST |
And if anyone thinks there were Tartar horsemen at the battle of Mohacs that he let us know, thank you. |
| khanscom | 17 May 2018 5:54 p.m. PST |
"Miniature Wargames" issue No. 2-- "The Battle of Mohacs, August 28th, 1526" by Wally Hearl. He suggests 2000 Janissaries, 5000 local levies, 7000 Spahis of the Porte, 10000 Asiatic feudal spahis, 15000 European feudal spahis and 20000 Akinjis for the Turks. For the Hungarians 1000 knights, 3000 lesser nobles and retainers, 8000 hussars, 7000 foot levies, and 6000 landsknechts. He also mentions a few Hungarian "light bombards" and as many as 120 Turkish cannons. Hope this helps a little. |
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