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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 2:49 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Who knows and could publish on this forum a battle order as complete as possible for each of the belligerents delivering the battle of TANNENBERG (GRUNWALD) the July 15, 1410 ?

Thank you.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 6:55 a.m. PST

Hardly. They don't even agree on roughly how many they were.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 7:52 a.m. PST

Yes but by giving all the versions, we could end up doing a synthesis.

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 10:27 a.m. PST

I have a book from Poland (in English) on the battle. It features the banners of the units that fought there. Will dig it out and pass along relevant info later today.


Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 7:09 p.m. PST

Bonjour, mon ami, Paskai. The name of the book is "Polish Banners at Grunwald", Vol. 1, by Andrzej Klein, Nicholas Sekunda and Konrad A. Czernielewski; Published by Alexander (this edition exclusively for Montvert Oublications; ISBN: 83-912334-0-5; Copyright 2000.

This volume deals with banners for 51 different Polish "clans" and their allies (including Tartars) present at the battle. Vol. II is to cover the Tutonic Orders there and their allies. The book lists many pages of historic works from which the materials presented came from and is really authoritave in appearance!

The book contains over 100 colored examples includining many of the mounted bearers in historically researched illustrations. I paid $29.95 USD in 2000 USD. It is 127 pages in a format reminisant of an Osbry Campaign book. The layout has one side of a page in Polish and in english on the right. This is was obviously a labor of love as the descriptions and narritive goes into great detail.

While it may not provide all the units at the battle, all the units standards, banners and flags depicted are directly related to units that were there, for the Polish and allied side.

I have several other polish books that covers the medieval period(s); a lot on the ottoman empir and middle east in this time period. I do NOT read Polish but the illustrations of uniforms, weapons, fortifications and graphic representation of period formations are well worth their price. Those are in hardback and no, I do not want to sell mine! />)

I hope this helps a bit and that you can still find one at a reasonable price. I never saw the second volume with regards to the Tutonic Orders there.

Tom Dye

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP14 Dec 2017 10:28 p.m. PST

Hello Tom,

You are talking about Banderia Appud Grunwald Tomes 1 & 2, I have them since the beginning of the century, edited in Lodz 2000 – printed in Poland …

We must have them when we are interested in Grunwald but alas the subject of these two books are not the strength of armies but their banners …



Paskal Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2017 12:27 a.m. PST

This battle is so unknown that ?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2018 2:24 a.m. PST

Does anyone know if there really was a contingent of Moldovan horsemen 1000 according to a source at this Battle of Tannenberg ?

paperbattles27 Jun 2018 8:15 a.m. PST

Paskal, is it possible to have scannered (even paying) the II Volume i.e. of the Teutonic Army? (I have the other)

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2018 3:43 p.m. PST

The 2 Appud books mentioned above are the best I've seen. I have at least 1 other good one. I'll see if I can find when I'm at home.

I've considered doing this battle in 10mm, 15mm, and 25mm. The availability of miniatures (Especially Polish & Lithuanian knights) makes a big deciding factor. You may have to go with proxies for the Allies.

This is one of my top ten "must do" battles before I die. As I said above, I'll see what I have at home and get back to you.

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