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David Taylor13 Dec 2017 8:09 a.m. PST

I am interested in building up a Swedish army for the Scanian War in 15mm and I have a question about headgear.
I have Lars-Eric Hoglund's book on the Scanian war and it (along with other sources I have) states that both the horse and the foot wore either a wide brimmed hat or a karpus. I have a number of questions about this which I hope someone can answer:
1. Which would have been more common, the hat or the karpus and did it differ between horse and foot?
2. Would complete regiments have all have worn the same headgear, or did it vary from individual to individual?
3. Would the time of year have had any effect on which was worn? e.g. the battle of Lund was in December, so would the karpus have been preferred to the hat as it appears to be warmer.
4. Would officers have worn the karpus, or would they have favoured the hat?

Any help would be appreciated.

5. Finally, are there any manufacturers who do 15mm figures in karpus for the Scanian War?

dbf167613 Dec 2017 8:38 a.m. PST

All the paintings I have seen by Lemke, which were commissioned by Charles XI after the war, show cavalry in hats. The foot guards wore hats. There other foot figures in the karpus depicted in the Lund painting, but others are in hats. The officers probably all wore hats. They all did so in the GNW, regardless of what the men wore.

dbf167613 Dec 2017 8:43 a.m. PST

Look at this painting of the Battle of Halmstad, which you can enlarge. Hats seem pretty universal.

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Bill N15 Dec 2017 4:14 a.m. PST

I like the innovative architecture in that painting.

David Taylor15 Dec 2017 2:35 p.m. PST

Many thanks for the info.
So, from this, what I am thinking is:
Hats for the horse
Hats for Guard foot
Hats for officers
Mainly hats for other infantry, with a few karpus for individuals.
There may have been more karpus worn in winter, however, as my troops can't change their hats when it gets cold, I'll stick with the above.

As I haven't been able to locate a 15mm figure for the Scanian war wearing a karpus, I will have to convert any I want – this saves on too much conversion work.

Daniel S15 Dec 2017 2:52 p.m. PST

If you have Höglund then you basicly have all the information that has been found so far and there is not a lot of info about the headgear, particularly in the early years.

My view is that both Lemke's paintings and Dahlbergs sketches show an idealised version of events with everyone in proper hats and clothing rather than the ragged & worn dress worn by regiments in an army that suffered from huge shortages for most of the war.

I strongly suspect that at the start of the war hats were supposed to be worn by both the horse and foot but as the war progressed and shortages got ever worse the karpus began to replace hats, particularly among the infantry. Hats require felt while a Karpus can be made from scraps of cloth and left over pieces from the cutting of coats and breeches.

My own choice was to go with hats as I lack the skills to do the conversions and the widebrimmed hat also gives the Swedes a look that is diffrent from the GNW with it's loads of Karpus.

dbf167616 Dec 2017 8:10 p.m. PST

Daniel is probably correct. I'm seroiusly thinking of doing the Battle of Lund in using 10mm Pendraken League of Augsburg figures. If so, everyone will be in hats. My Swedish officers will also wear sashes, although Lemke seldom or ever shows them. Sometimes we must make small compromises.

Daniel S17 Dec 2017 4:44 a.m. PST

Pendraken was my choice for Lund 1676 as well, did a couple of test units using the "old" figures then put the project on halt while Pendraken refurbished and upgraded the entire range with new sculpts. During that time I realised that Lund was almost impossible to do as a wargame using any rule system I had, it is a battle of extremes in more ways than one.

dbf167617 Dec 2017 9:14 a.m. PST

I think 10mm will be good for Lund since, although the armies were small, the battlefield was large. One of the problems is that the Swedish infantry were outnumbered ar least three to one and would be under most wargames classifications have been overall better trained, equipped and fed. The Danes had over fifty guns (although I wonder how many were actually brought into action) to the Swedish probably fewer than ten. Despite all this, the Swedish infantry held up quite well.

I'm going to try BLB3. Since the number of figures on the bases are ultimately irrelevant I will probably have the same number on each stand for both armies and adjust the attributes of the battalions to even out the chances of victory.

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